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> ... but for stuff which people put up thinking it is just going to be publicly visible ... I don't think these business owners really understand. Most normie

> ... but for stuff which people put up thinking it is just going to be publicly visible ... I don't think these business owners really understand. Most normies just think everyone has a Facebook/Instagram account and can't even imagine a world where that is not the case. I agree with you that it is extremely frustrating.

Suppafly 2y ago
>Most normies just think everyone has a Facebook/Instagram account and can't even imagine a world where that is not the case. The people without a basic internet presence aren't likely to be customers anyway so it's not a huge loss. It's trivial to setup a basic account for any site that doesn't contain any personal data you want to keep hidden, if you aren't willing to do that, you're in a tiny minority.
- madeofpalk 2y ago
  I don't have a Facebook or Instagram account, but I definitely eat tacos and I was put off when I couldn't see a new taco place's opening hours without an instagram accoutn. I'm not sure why you think why people who don't have a Facebook account wouldn't eat at restaurants
  - Suppafly 2y ago
    You're in a tiny enough minority that it doesn't matter to them. It's like Amish complaining that they can't use a drive-thru window or something. Except it'd take you 30 seconds, one time, to solve your problem forever.
    - inetknght 2y ago
      > Except it'd take you 30 seconds, one time, to solve your problem forever. And those 30 seconds are a harrowing pit of despair out of which comes the rest of your life filled with advertisements, tracking, second-guessing, and accusations of being a hypocrite.
      - Suppafly 2y ago
        I haven't had any of that just from having an FB and IG account. I honestly forgot I had an IG account for a long time until someone shared something with me and I realized I had one.
      - dabbz 2y ago
        To be fair, they've been shown to still track unauthenticated users via fingerprinting and mapping it to known data from your friends who do have Facebook and upload this data (phone numbers, first, last name, etc). NOT having an account doesn't mean you aren't being tracked. Not that it means you should just make an account to make their tracking easier...
    - aendruk 2y ago
      I’m a little optimistic here. Step by small step lately the more normal people in my life have been joining this demographic.
  - pabs3 2y ago
    There are ways to access public Instagram content without an account, gallery-dl for eg works most of the time. Tweeper can also be useful. https://github.com/mikf/gallery-dl https://github.com/mikf/gallery-dl https://git.ao2.it/tweeper.git https://git.ao2.it/tweeper.git
- dreamcompiler 2y ago
  > It's trivial to setup a basic account for any site that doesn't contain any personal data you want to keep hidden It's equally trivial for a restaurant to set up a custom domain with their own 2-page website (overview and menu) on any of a hundred platforms that provide this service. Most of these services are not free like FB, but any business that can afford a landline phone can afford a real website.
  - sofixa 2y ago
    > Most of these services are not free like FB There are free ones as well, just as a subdomain (something.wordpress.com or something.wix.com), not a full top level custom domain.
  - Suppafly 2y ago
    >It's equally trivial for a restaurant to set up a custom domain with their own 2-page website (overview and menu) on any of a hundred platforms that provide this service. Sure but they don't want to. If you want to see the menu they have online you need to follow their rules, not your own.
    - elaus 2y ago
      And if they want me as a customer, they have to follow _my_ rules. Obviously the restaurant has enough other customers and I have enough other restaurants to go to, so we both will be fine.
      - Suppafly 2y ago
        >And if they want me as a customer, they have to follow _my_ rules. Sure, but putting their menu behind a trivial to access account shows they don't want you as a customer. You're the one complaining, not them.
- DidYaWipe 2y ago
  There's no "basic Internet presence" for an individual. If you think it through, every attempt to make that a thing has wound up being MySpace, Facebook, or the next dumpster.

Suppafly 2y ago

>Most normies just think everyone has a Facebook/Instagram account and can't even imagine a world where that is not the case. The people without a basic internet presence aren't likely to be customers anyway so it's not a huge loss. It's trivial to setup a basic account for any site that doesn't contain any personal data you want to keep hidden, if you aren't willing to do that, you're in a tiny minority.

madeofpalk 2y ago
I don't have a Facebook or Instagram account, but I definitely eat tacos and I was put off when I couldn't see a new taco place's opening hours without an instagram accoutn. I'm not sure why you think why people who don't have a Facebook account wouldn't eat at restaurants
- Suppafly 2y ago
  You're in a tiny enough minority that it doesn't matter to them. It's like Amish complaining that they can't use a drive-thru window or something. Except it'd take you 30 seconds, one time, to solve your problem forever.
  - inetknght 2y ago
    > Except it'd take you 30 seconds, one time, to solve your problem forever. And those 30 seconds are a harrowing pit of despair out of which comes the rest of your life filled with advertisements, tracking, second-guessing, and accusations of being a hypocrite.
    - Suppafly 2y ago
      I haven't had any of that just from having an FB and IG account. I honestly forgot I had an IG account for a long time until someone shared something with me and I realized I had one.
    - dabbz 2y ago
      To be fair, they've been shown to still track unauthenticated users via fingerprinting and mapping it to known data from your friends who do have Facebook and upload this data (phone numbers, first, last name, etc). NOT having an account doesn't mean you aren't being tracked. Not that it means you should just make an account to make their tracking easier...
  - aendruk 2y ago
    I’m a little optimistic here. Step by small step lately the more normal people in my life have been joining this demographic.
- pabs3 2y ago
  There are ways to access public Instagram content without an account, gallery-dl for eg works most of the time. Tweeper can also be useful. https://github.com/mikf/gallery-dl https://github.com/mikf/gallery-dl https://git.ao2.it/tweeper.git https://git.ao2.it/tweeper.git
dreamcompiler 2y ago
> It's trivial to setup a basic account for any site that doesn't contain any personal data you want to keep hidden It's equally trivial for a restaurant to set up a custom domain with their own 2-page website (overview and menu) on any of a hundred platforms that provide this service. Most of these services are not free like FB, but any business that can afford a landline phone can afford a real website.
- sofixa 2y ago
  > Most of these services are not free like FB There are free ones as well, just as a subdomain (something.wordpress.com or something.wix.com), not a full top level custom domain.
- Suppafly 2y ago
  >It's equally trivial for a restaurant to set up a custom domain with their own 2-page website (overview and menu) on any of a hundred platforms that provide this service. Sure but they don't want to. If you want to see the menu they have online you need to follow their rules, not your own.
  - elaus 2y ago
    And if they want me as a customer, they have to follow _my_ rules. Obviously the restaurant has enough other customers and I have enough other restaurants to go to, so we both will be fine.
    - Suppafly 2y ago
      >And if they want me as a customer, they have to follow _my_ rules. Sure, but putting their menu behind a trivial to access account shows they don't want you as a customer. You're the one complaining, not them.
DidYaWipe 2y ago
There's no "basic Internet presence" for an individual. If you think it through, every attempt to make that a thing has wound up being MySpace, Facebook, or the next dumpster.