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On the other hand a jury of nine people, vetted with voir dire, found them guilty. There's probably something there. I'm waiting to form opinions until the appe

On the other hand a jury of nine people, vetted with voir dire, found them guilty. There's probably something there. I'm waiting to form opinions until the appeals are over.

g_sch 2y ago
Notably the jury pool was from North Dakota, a state where many people have direct or indirect ties to oil and gas industries. In fact, > During jury selection, potential jurors appeared to largely dislike the protests, and many had ties to the fossil fuel industry. In the end, more than half the jurors selected to hear the case had ties to the fossil fuel industry, and most had negative views of anti-pipeline protests or groups that oppose the use of fossil fuels. Source: https://archive.ph/OMEYP#selection-1559.0-1563.204 https://archive.ph/OMEYP#selection-1559.0-1563.204
- lupusreal 2y ago
  You mean conspiring to cause immense economic harm to an already impoverished part of the country will make your organization unpopular in that region? shocked pikachu
  - mistrial9 2y ago
    playing economically broke locals against protesters of multinational energy giant gets "pikachu"? is anyone reading this, that simple minded? superficial or purposefully over-simplified feedback it seems
staticautomatic 2y ago
Based on the article's description of jury selection, this seems like a case where the jury was probably biased but the verdict will not be overturned on appeal for that reason. The appeal on that issue probably won't be very helpful to forming an opinion because the bar is unreasonably high and 99.999% of trial lawyers are bad at making the record. Perhaps they can win on a transfer of venue appeal or something, which is quite a long shot but maybe not as long as jury selection bias. (I'm a former jury consultant and a non-practicing lawyer).
- mistrial9 2y ago
  > unreasonably high and 99.999% of trial lawyers are bad at making the record way to go for the clearly exaggerated opening statement
  - staticautomatic 2y ago
    Have you ever actually seen someone try/fail to make the record for jury selection bias or worked on one of these appeals? I have, many times, and that's my honest professional opinion.
    - mistrial9 2y ago
      > that's my honest opinion LOL - a fake percentage is false by definition! no matter what the circumstances.. you mock yourself further. This board includes science and stats fyi
      - staticautomatic 2y ago
        You’re reading that wayyyy too literally and using it as an excuse to be combative

On the other hand a jury of nine people, vetted with voir dire, found them guilty. There's probably something there. I'm waiting to form opinions until the appeals are over.

g_sch 2y ago

Notably the jury pool was from North Dakota, a state where many people have direct or indirect ties to oil and gas industries. In fact, > During jury selection, potential jurors appeared to largely dislike the protests, and many had ties to the fossil fuel industry. In the end, more than half the jurors selected to hear the case had ties to the fossil fuel industry, and most had negative views of anti-pipeline protests or groups that oppose the use of fossil fuels. Source: https://archive.ph/OMEYP#selection-1559.0-1563.204 https://archive.ph/OMEYP#selection-1559.0-1563.204

lupusreal 2y ago
You mean conspiring to cause immense economic harm to an already impoverished part of the country will make your organization unpopular in that region? shocked pikachu
- mistrial9 2y ago
  playing economically broke locals against protesters of multinational energy giant gets "pikachu"? is anyone reading this, that simple minded? superficial or purposefully over-simplified feedback it seems

staticautomatic 2y ago

Based on the article's description of jury selection, this seems like a case where the jury was probably biased but the verdict will not be overturned on appeal for that reason. The appeal on that issue probably won't be very helpful to forming an opinion because the bar is unreasonably high and 99.999% of trial lawyers are bad at making the record. Perhaps they can win on a transfer of venue appeal or something, which is quite a long shot but maybe not as long as jury selection bias. (I'm a former jury consultant and a non-practicing lawyer).

mistrial9 2y ago
> unreasonably high and 99.999% of trial lawyers are bad at making the record way to go for the clearly exaggerated opening statement
- staticautomatic 2y ago
  Have you ever actually seen someone try/fail to make the record for jury selection bias or worked on one of these appeals? I have, many times, and that's my honest professional opinion.
  - mistrial9 2y ago
    > that's my honest opinion LOL - a fake percentage is false by definition! no matter what the circumstances.. you mock yourself further. This board includes science and stats fyi
    - staticautomatic 2y ago
      You’re reading that wayyyy too literally and using it as an excuse to be combative