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This is how American immigration has always worked. I know others that experienced it under prior administrations. You have to ask why does the press only care

by 762236 2y ago

This is how American immigration has always worked. I know others that experienced it under prior administrations. You have to ask why does the press only care about it now?

diggan 2y ago
> You have to ask why does the press only care about it now? Does it matter? As someone who at points wanted to visit the US for various reasons, I've been watching the results with horror for decades at this point, how people are treated, so obviously it's a no-go country right now for large parts of the world population, even for tourism. As you say, it's nothing new, and regardless of motives for publishing articles like this, I'm glad more people are finally realizing what could happen if your dumb enough to go there.
peppers-ghost 2y ago
I think the press cares about it because each aspect of it is getting worse. People coming into the country no longer have due process and can't see lawyers now.
- 762236 2y ago
  This changed?
  - peppers-ghost 2y ago
    If you're a human and in the US physically you are guaranteed due process by the constitution. This is being trampled on by the powers that be.
    - pandaman 2y ago
      A "due process" does not guarantee a lawyer. In case of immigration violations, for example, the due process consists of detention and subsequent deportation. The Due Process clause just states that the government has to follow the law when depriving you of freedom or property. If the law says that the process is to stuff you into a circus cannon and shoot you into the ocean then you are guaranteed that.
      - peppers-ghost 2y ago
        >A "due process" does not guarantee a lawyer. In case of immigration violations, for example, the due process consists of detention and subsequent deportation. Who told you this information? Immigration violations are still supposed to be heard by a court and fair representation is required.
        pandaman 2y ago
        >Who told you this information? Multiple immigration lawyers. The fact that there is no judicial review and the CBP officer at the port of entry is empowered to deport you immediately and ban you from entry is quite important and I am sure you'd been advised just as well if you had hired a semi-decent immigration lawyer too.
jredwards 2y ago
Because the scale, aggression, and flagrant violations of due process have all skyrocketed?
philistine 2y ago
The change is that the detention is now privately run and its incentives are to keep you detained for as long as possible. If you go to the US, it's not just the tourist traps trying to make a buck off you. It's also the border protection. > The reality became clear: Ice detention isn’t just a bureaucratic nightmare. It’s a business. These facilities are privately owned and run for profit. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det...
dfxm12 2y ago
You have to ask why does the press only care about it now? First, why does the press coverage matter this much? If the press covered the stories of the people you know, would that make the heinous treatment they endured OK? Is detaining people for so long OK if each person affected gets a BBC article? Is leaving their family to guess why OK if the NYT publishes their photo? The current admin will do what they are doing regardless of the press coverage. Additionally, why do you think the press only cares about it now? The press talked about the Biden era "kids in cages". The press talked about the Trump era family separation policy. The press called Obama "deporter in chief". If you were honestly concerned about this, you wouldn't be going on about press coverage.

by 762236 2y ago

This is how American immigration has always worked. I know others that experienced it under prior administrations. You have to ask why does the press only care about it now?

diggan 2y ago

> You have to ask why does the press only care about it now? Does it matter? As someone who at points wanted to visit the US for various reasons, I've been watching the results with horror for decades at this point, how people are treated, so obviously it's a no-go country right now for large parts of the world population, even for tourism. As you say, it's nothing new, and regardless of motives for publishing articles like this, I'm glad more people are finally realizing what could happen if your dumb enough to go there.

peppers-ghost 2y ago

I think the press cares about it because each aspect of it is getting worse. People coming into the country no longer have due process and can't see lawyers now.

762236 2y ago
This changed?
- peppers-ghost 2y ago
  If you're a human and in the US physically you are guaranteed due process by the constitution. This is being trampled on by the powers that be.
  - pandaman 2y ago
    A "due process" does not guarantee a lawyer. In case of immigration violations, for example, the due process consists of detention and subsequent deportation. The Due Process clause just states that the government has to follow the law when depriving you of freedom or property. If the law says that the process is to stuff you into a circus cannon and shoot you into the ocean then you are guaranteed that.
    - peppers-ghost 2y ago
      >A "due process" does not guarantee a lawyer. In case of immigration violations, for example, the due process consists of detention and subsequent deportation. Who told you this information? Immigration violations are still supposed to be heard by a court and fair representation is required.
      - pandaman 2y ago
        >Who told you this information? Multiple immigration lawyers. The fact that there is no judicial review and the CBP officer at the port of entry is empowered to deport you immediately and ban you from entry is quite important and I am sure you'd been advised just as well if you had hired a semi-decent immigration lawyer too.

jredwards 2y ago

Because the scale, aggression, and flagrant violations of due process have all skyrocketed?

philistine 2y ago

The change is that the detention is now privately run and its incentives are to keep you detained for as long as possible. If you go to the US, it's not just the tourist traps trying to make a buck off you. It's also the border protection. > The reality became clear: Ice detention isn’t just a bureaucratic nightmare. It’s a business. These facilities are privately owned and run for profit. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det...

dfxm12 2y ago

You have to ask why does the press only care about it now? First, why does the press coverage matter this much? If the press covered the stories of the people you know, would that make the heinous treatment they endured OK? Is detaining people for so long OK if each person affected gets a BBC article? Is leaving their family to guess why OK if the NYT publishes their photo? The current admin will do what they are doing regardless of the press coverage. Additionally, why do you think the press only cares about it now? The press talked about the Biden era "kids in cages". The press talked about the Trump era family separation policy. The press called Obama "deporter in chief". If you were honestly concerned about this, you wouldn't be going on about press coverage.