> Sadly the innocent are always the victims under leadership decisions What you have stated is that, following your view, "people should impale leaders". > an

> Sadly the innocent are always the victims under leadership decisions What you have stated is that, following your view, "people should impale leaders". > angering them and hopefully overhtrowing the leaders And that you would pester John to turn him against Jack. What should happen instead is that John will rightfully react against you (possibly both of you), with justification. It is very basic lucid plain logic.