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> The point is obviously to terrorize people and create fear. This is a perfectly ambiguous point. On the one hand is the practice, which may or may not be nov

by adolph 2y ago

> The point is obviously to terrorize people and create fear. This is a perfectly ambiguous point. On the one hand is the practice, which may or may not be novel. On the other is the story, which may or may not be clickbait intended as outrage-engagement.

hobs 2y ago
On the other hand there's the president, whose said he's going to go on a mass deportation spree and treating anyone he doesn't like as illegal, but yeah who knows if this is just business as usual!?
ck2 2y ago
Yes your kind of hand waiving is EXACTLY what went down in the 1930s in Germany, everyone was "don't get carried away, this is fine/exaggerated". Now it's just with smartphones. Realize this is not only not the first story but there's another one pending on the front pages of many news sites. It has Stephen Miller written all over it, it's EXACTLY how he works. Stop giving them a pass on this, it's only going to get worse and worse.
- adolph 2y ago
  You seem certain about this but I don’t know how you came at such certainty.
  - ck2 2y ago
    You need real examples? You know those "gang members" that were kidnapped to Venezuela torture prison without any due process? And everyone was "fine" with it because hey they said they were "gang members" Guess what? It's already been discovered one of them is just a professional soccer player with no gang affiliations. But he's still there in prison with shaved head and will never be seen again because there's no balance of power to stop it, courts are ignored daily. That university protestor they disappeared? As soon as a New York court ruled he has to get a hearing, they moved him out of the district to the south. Now remember this is only eight weeks into it and there are TWO HUNDREDS more to go and imagine that atrocity multiplying weekly. First thing Hitler did when he was given power without their congress (parliament, Enabling Act) was remove the judges opposing him. Sound familiar?
    - adolph 2y ago
      > You know those "gang members" that were kidnapped to Venezuela torture prison without any due process? Many are not "fine" with it and legal actions are proceeding. The form of the question is definitely an excellent example of outrage bait. And yes, the US definitely has some legal bangers left on the books that gives Gödel more credence. [0] Claimed non-governmental organization: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tren_de_Aragua https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tren_de_Aragua Deportation of Venezuelans to El Salvador: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/16/deportation-alleged-gang-members-el-salvador https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/16/deportation-... Due process involved: https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/alien-enemies-act-explained https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/alie... 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del's_Loophole https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del's_Loophole
      - mschuster91 2y ago
        > Many are not "fine" with it and legal actions are proceeding. Legal actions won't bring someone back from a Salvadorian gulag. If it were an US camp, a judge and his marshals could have traveled to the camp and demanded the release, but in El Salvador US judges don't have any legal authority. The best they can do is try to hold Trump himself or someone in the chain of command accountable by, say, arresting them - but that would yield an immediate constitutional crisis because there is no way anyone powerful enough doesn't also have Secret Service or other protection under their command. That is the entire issue: there is no trust that this government will obey a court order any more. They have already shown that they do not give a shit about Congressional funding allotments so what makes you think the current administration will not do just the same with court rulings?

by adolph 2y ago

hobs 2y ago

On the other hand there's the president, whose said he's going to go on a mass deportation spree and treating anyone he doesn't like as illegal, but yeah who knows if this is just business as usual!?

ck2 2y ago

Yes your kind of hand waiving is EXACTLY what went down in the 1930s in Germany, everyone was "don't get carried away, this is fine/exaggerated". Now it's just with smartphones. Realize this is not only not the first story but there's another one pending on the front pages of many news sites. It has Stephen Miller written all over it, it's EXACTLY how he works. Stop giving them a pass on this, it's only going to get worse and worse.

adolph 2y ago
You seem certain about this but I don’t know how you came at such certainty.
- ck2 2y ago
  You need real examples? You know those "gang members" that were kidnapped to Venezuela torture prison without any due process? And everyone was "fine" with it because hey they said they were "gang members" Guess what? It's already been discovered one of them is just a professional soccer player with no gang affiliations. But he's still there in prison with shaved head and will never be seen again because there's no balance of power to stop it, courts are ignored daily. That university protestor they disappeared? As soon as a New York court ruled he has to get a hearing, they moved him out of the district to the south. Now remember this is only eight weeks into it and there are TWO HUNDREDS more to go and imagine that atrocity multiplying weekly. First thing Hitler did when he was given power without their congress (parliament, Enabling Act) was remove the judges opposing him. Sound familiar?
  - adolph 2y ago
    > You know those "gang members" that were kidnapped to Venezuela torture prison without any due process? Many are not "fine" with it and legal actions are proceeding. The form of the question is definitely an excellent example of outrage bait. And yes, the US definitely has some legal bangers left on the books that gives Gödel more credence. [0] Claimed non-governmental organization: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tren_de_Aragua https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tren_de_Aragua Deportation of Venezuelans to El Salvador: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/16/deportation-alleged-gang-members-el-salvador https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/16/deportation-... Due process involved: https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/alien-enemies-act-explained https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/alie... 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del's_Loophole https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del's_Loophole
    - mschuster91 2y ago
      > Many are not "fine" with it and legal actions are proceeding. Legal actions won't bring someone back from a Salvadorian gulag. If it were an US camp, a judge and his marshals could have traveled to the camp and demanded the release, but in El Salvador US judges don't have any legal authority. The best they can do is try to hold Trump himself or someone in the chain of command accountable by, say, arresting them - but that would yield an immediate constitutional crisis because there is no way anyone powerful enough doesn't also have Secret Service or other protection under their command. That is the entire issue: there is no trust that this government will obey a court order any more. They have already shown that they do not give a shit about Congressional funding allotments so what makes you think the current administration will not do just the same with court rulings?