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We need to create a type of visa that has some kind of court-enforceable rights attached to it. Currently there seems to be no middle ground between citizen-wit

by jl6 2y ago

We need to create a type of visa that has some kind of court-enforceable rights attached to it. Currently there seems to be no middle ground between citizen-with-full-rights and foreign-scum-with-no-rights. Travel for legitimate business and tourism just isn’t worth the risk right now.

veidr 2y ago
or just not go? ¯\_(ಠ_ಠ)_/¯
- veidr 2y ago
  To be clear, I don't mean "fuck you if you don't like it", I mean literally nobody should go to the USA (I'm a citizen) unless it's absolutely necessary.
  - akie 2y ago
    I've been avoiding traveling to the US, and even doing stop-overs, at least since Trump first became president. You guys are a bit too enthusiastic about the whole police state / fascism thing, and have been ever since 9/11.
    - veidr 2y ago
      You're right to do so, but I think the urgency has changed. Since Bush and 9/11 we had some dubious, secret lists like the "no-fly list" — but we also had a bunch of other secret lists, too. The difference is now you get a Customs agent named CatFart69 and it's all up to him. That is hugely important, and differentiating, because until this current administration, the incompetence (or willful white supremacism / pro-wrestling hero-worship) was at least centralized. Now it is outsourced to the lowest common moron/incel functionary. Which is a truly fundamental difference. Do not come. If you truly must, take similar precautions as you would when visiting Iran or North Korea.
boroboro4 2y ago
There is one already and it’s called green card. It’s not like current administration cares about it.
- mschuster91 2y ago
  Green card is for permanent immigration, and hell even that is not secure as we've seen with the Mahmoud Khalil controversy [1]. [1] https://theconversation.com/can-the-trump-administration-legally-deport-palestinian-rights-advocate-mahmoud-khalil-3-things-to-know-about-green-card-holders-rights-252019 https://theconversation.com/can-the-trump-administration-leg...
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  It's not even that. Under the US Constitution everyone, citizen or not, illegal or not, desirable or not, has at least 1st Amendment and Due Process rights.
duped 2y ago
We do, that's what the 14th amendment is about. Republicans don't care about this though, and they don't care about the courts. The law is can't fix anything when the people breaking it are also in charge of enforcing it.
alisonatwork 2y ago
That already exists and it was the 14th amendment. The state is supposed to grant all persons equal protection, regardless of their citizenship.

by jl6 2y ago

veidr 2y ago

or just not go? ¯\_(ಠ_ಠ)_/¯

veidr 2y ago
To be clear, I don't mean "fuck you if you don't like it", I mean literally nobody should go to the USA (I'm a citizen) unless it's absolutely necessary.
- akie 2y ago
  I've been avoiding traveling to the US, and even doing stop-overs, at least since Trump first became president. You guys are a bit too enthusiastic about the whole police state / fascism thing, and have been ever since 9/11.
  - veidr 2y ago
    You're right to do so, but I think the urgency has changed. Since Bush and 9/11 we had some dubious, secret lists like the "no-fly list" — but we also had a bunch of other secret lists, too. The difference is now you get a Customs agent named CatFart69 and it's all up to him. That is hugely important, and differentiating, because until this current administration, the incompetence (or willful white supremacism / pro-wrestling hero-worship) was at least centralized. Now it is outsourced to the lowest common moron/incel functionary. Which is a truly fundamental difference. Do not come. If you truly must, take similar precautions as you would when visiting Iran or North Korea.

boroboro4 2y ago

There is one already and it’s called green card. It’s not like current administration cares about it.

mschuster91 2y ago
Green card is for permanent immigration, and hell even that is not secure as we've seen with the Mahmoud Khalil controversy [1]. [1] https://theconversation.com/can-the-trump-administration-legally-deport-palestinian-rights-advocate-mahmoud-khalil-3-things-to-know-about-green-card-holders-rights-252019 https://theconversation.com/can-the-trump-administration-leg...
llamaimperative 2y ago
It's not even that. Under the US Constitution everyone, citizen or not, illegal or not, desirable or not, has at least 1st Amendment and Due Process rights.

duped 2y ago

We do, that's what the 14th amendment is about. Republicans don't care about this though, and they don't care about the courts. The law is can't fix anything when the people breaking it are also in charge of enforcing it.

alisonatwork 2y ago

That already exists and it was the 14th amendment. The state is supposed to grant all persons equal protection, regardless of their citizenship.