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The point is obviously to terrorize people and create fear. So the question is when will the US be sanctioned for this behavior? If cannot happen legally then

by ck2 2y ago

The point is obviously to terrorize people and create fear. So the question is when will the US be sanctioned for this behavior? If cannot happen legally then financially? Are tourists really going to risk coming here because this is not the first story and it is only going to get worse. Imagine by the Olympics in 2028 - are people REALLY willing to visit here and being subjected to this incredible risk? Can't say "you'll be fine" because just any one encouter with law enforcement on a power-trip and you'll have no rights to how you are treated and how long you are disappeared. They are building holding facilities at military bases all over the country and there will be motivation to fill them up. There will be no lawyer access, no reporter access. You'll just disappear until they decide what to do with you.

croes 2y ago
Tourism will decline. Will be interesting to see how Trump blames that on Biden or left wingers.
ttyprintk 2y ago
I predict strong Federal resistance to the Los Angeles Olympics taking place without individual incentives. The President making surprise appearances in dressing rooms for gender inspection, etc. Likewise, if the 2028 election is cancelled, I expect the only nations participating will be Russia and a newly-minted Gazan resort team.
- ck2 2y ago
  He owns a massive resort/hotel near the Olympics and will want to fill that up and then bring himself to bill taxpayers millions for secret service, etc. So the event will happen but I simply cannot believe I find myself hoping for a worldwide boycott, it's insanity. But why would they cancel the election if they "know those vote counting computers" and no-one is going to stop them from putting on a pretend election like Russia does? People can protest all they want, once they run out of migrants to fill the detention centers they will just move onto protesters since no-one could stop them the first time around.
  - dathinab 2y ago
    > run out of migrants they won't run out for a while. Not only are there a lot of immigrants in the US which they can arbitrary Label as illegal even if not, they are also already are trying to - undo citizenship granted in the past, starting with people not born in the US, but there is clear intend to go further then that. - classify native Americans as not US citizens
- SideburnsOfDoom 2y ago
  > if the 2028 election is cancelled Highly unlikely. For the simple reason that countries such as Russia and Türkiye still have elections. Not that USA elections have ever been perfectly representative. But expect them to be less so. And, it might go like this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yren8mxp8o https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yren8mxp8o
- dathinab 2y ago
  realistically speaking Hitler Germany had an Olympic after they discriminated against yew but before it genocide was publically known and a lot of countries still took part in it it ended up being grate propaganda for Hitler Germany with a lot of drugged German athletes winning prices, and a lot of make pretend that things aren't as bad as they are I can't say in which state the US will be by 2028, but if not too dissimilar from today I wouldn't expect things to end up very different. Through in the current state dragging out until 2028 is ... not very likely. So we will see.
nashashmi 2y ago
The checks and balance system has been compromised a little bit. Hope has dropped on congress to check the executive. SCOTUS should be checking next, but people believe they cannot be relied on because they are too conservative. Except CJ Roberts is now concerned about the executive branch assault on justice side. His stance is changing due to the need for C&B.
ChoGGi 2y ago
ICE detainees are big business, at least for the private companies paid to keep them locked up. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det...
adolph 2y ago
> The point is obviously to terrorize people and create fear. This is a perfectly ambiguous point. On the one hand is the practice, which may or may not be novel. On the other is the story, which may or may not be clickbait intended as outrage-engagement.
- hobs 2y ago
  On the other hand there's the president, whose said he's going to go on a mass deportation spree and treating anyone he doesn't like as illegal, but yeah who knows if this is just business as usual!?
- ck2 2y ago
  Yes your kind of hand waiving is EXACTLY what went down in the 1930s in Germany, everyone was "don't get carried away, this is fine/exaggerated". Now it's just with smartphones. Realize this is not only not the first story but there's another one pending on the front pages of many news sites. It has Stephen Miller written all over it, it's EXACTLY how he works. Stop giving them a pass on this, it's only going to get worse and worse.
  - adolph 2y ago
    You seem certain about this but I don’t know how you came at such certainty.
    - ck2 2y ago
      You need real examples? You know those "gang members" that were kidnapped to Venezuela torture prison without any due process? And everyone was "fine" with it because hey they said they were "gang members" Guess what? It's already been discovered one of them is just a professional soccer player with no gang affiliations. But he's still there in prison with shaved head and will never be seen again because there's no balance of power to stop it, courts are ignored daily. That university protestor they disappeared? As soon as a New York court ruled he has to get a hearing, they moved him out of the district to the south. Now remember this is only eight weeks into it and there are TWO HUNDREDS more to go and imagine that atrocity multiplying weekly. First thing Hitler did when he was given power without their congress (parliament, Enabling Act) was remove the judges opposing him. Sound familiar?
mschuster91 2y ago
> There will be no lawyer access, no reporter access. At least foreigners have their consulates/embassies and it's wise for every foreigner being in the US to have a daily check-in with someone who can contact the country of origin to raise alarm.

by ck2 2y ago

croes 2y ago

Tourism will decline. Will be interesting to see how Trump blames that on Biden or left wingers.

ttyprintk 2y ago

I predict strong Federal resistance to the Los Angeles Olympics taking place without individual incentives. The President making surprise appearances in dressing rooms for gender inspection, etc. Likewise, if the 2028 election is cancelled, I expect the only nations participating will be Russia and a newly-minted Gazan resort team.

ck2 2y ago
He owns a massive resort/hotel near the Olympics and will want to fill that up and then bring himself to bill taxpayers millions for secret service, etc. So the event will happen but I simply cannot believe I find myself hoping for a worldwide boycott, it's insanity. But why would they cancel the election if they "know those vote counting computers" and no-one is going to stop them from putting on a pretend election like Russia does? People can protest all they want, once they run out of migrants to fill the detention centers they will just move onto protesters since no-one could stop them the first time around.
- dathinab 2y ago
  > run out of migrants they won't run out for a while. Not only are there a lot of immigrants in the US which they can arbitrary Label as illegal even if not, they are also already are trying to - undo citizenship granted in the past, starting with people not born in the US, but there is clear intend to go further then that. - classify native Americans as not US citizens
SideburnsOfDoom 2y ago
> if the 2028 election is cancelled Highly unlikely. For the simple reason that countries such as Russia and Türkiye still have elections. Not that USA elections have ever been perfectly representative. But expect them to be less so. And, it might go like this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yren8mxp8o https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yren8mxp8o
dathinab 2y ago
realistically speaking Hitler Germany had an Olympic after they discriminated against yew but before it genocide was publically known and a lot of countries still took part in it it ended up being grate propaganda for Hitler Germany with a lot of drugged German athletes winning prices, and a lot of make pretend that things aren't as bad as they are I can't say in which state the US will be by 2028, but if not too dissimilar from today I wouldn't expect things to end up very different. Through in the current state dragging out until 2028 is ... not very likely. So we will see.

nashashmi 2y ago

The checks and balance system has been compromised a little bit. Hope has dropped on congress to check the executive. SCOTUS should be checking next, but people believe they cannot be relied on because they are too conservative. Except CJ Roberts is now concerned about the executive branch assault on justice side. His stance is changing due to the need for C&B.

ChoGGi 2y ago

ICE detainees are big business, at least for the private companies paid to keep them locked up. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det...

adolph 2y ago

> The point is obviously to terrorize people and create fear. This is a perfectly ambiguous point. On the one hand is the practice, which may or may not be novel. On the other is the story, which may or may not be clickbait intended as outrage-engagement.

hobs 2y ago
On the other hand there's the president, whose said he's going to go on a mass deportation spree and treating anyone he doesn't like as illegal, but yeah who knows if this is just business as usual!?
ck2 2y ago
Yes your kind of hand waiving is EXACTLY what went down in the 1930s in Germany, everyone was "don't get carried away, this is fine/exaggerated". Now it's just with smartphones. Realize this is not only not the first story but there's another one pending on the front pages of many news sites. It has Stephen Miller written all over it, it's EXACTLY how he works. Stop giving them a pass on this, it's only going to get worse and worse.
- adolph 2y ago
  You seem certain about this but I don’t know how you came at such certainty.
  - ck2 2y ago
    You need real examples? You know those "gang members" that were kidnapped to Venezuela torture prison without any due process? And everyone was "fine" with it because hey they said they were "gang members" Guess what? It's already been discovered one of them is just a professional soccer player with no gang affiliations. But he's still there in prison with shaved head and will never be seen again because there's no balance of power to stop it, courts are ignored daily. That university protestor they disappeared? As soon as a New York court ruled he has to get a hearing, they moved him out of the district to the south. Now remember this is only eight weeks into it and there are TWO HUNDREDS more to go and imagine that atrocity multiplying weekly. First thing Hitler did when he was given power without their congress (parliament, Enabling Act) was remove the judges opposing him. Sound familiar?

mschuster91 2y ago

> There will be no lawyer access, no reporter access. At least foreigners have their consulates/embassies and it's wise for every foreigner being in the US to have a daily check-in with someone who can contact the country of origin to raise alarm.