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It and anything mildly questioning the morality of the current moves being made by popular VCs including YCombinator.

by 52-6F-62 2y ago

lurk2 2y ago
I have seen multiple comments on Hacker News suggesting that CEOs should be guillotined.
- AlecSchueler 2y ago
  Could you link to two of them?
  - lurk2 2y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40580037 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40580037 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40087723 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40087723
    - AlecSchueler 2y ago
      Thanks for the effort, I appreciate it, but neither of those are actually calling for anyone to be guillotined. The first is a prediction of what could happen long in the future if certain behaviours continue to worsen and the latter is asking why guillotines aren't valid solutions. Both seem to have been delivered with tongues in cheek. Have there been any comments suggesting CEOs "should be" guillotined as you claimed above?
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      - lurk2 2y ago
        > Have there been any comments suggesting CEOs "should be" guillotined as you claimed above? Fundamentally this is not a question of whether or not I can pull up specific comments that meet your interpretation of my original comment, it’s a question of whether or not Hacker News is permissive of narratives contrary to the interests of Bay Area technology executives. Here’s a few comments (some of them qualified: “I would never advocate for violence BUT…”) celebrating the murder of the United Healthcare CEO: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42318585 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42318585 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42318319 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42318319 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42318391 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42318391 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42317953 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42317953 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42368219 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42368219 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42349705 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42349705 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42349649 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42349649 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42328735 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42328735 The moderation of this forum is incredibly permissive; the people who feel they are being censored are more often than not just getting flagged by the community for posting off-topic political rants that were never permitted here to begin with.
        AlecSchueler 2y ago
        > Fundamentally this is not a question of whether or not I can pull up specific comments that meet your interpretation of my original comment, If your claim is that HN is demonstrably permissive because there have been multiple calls for people to be executed then it really is a question of being able to back that up with examples, otherwise the "because" aspect of your assertion falls apart. I also find it bizarre that you're framing my reading of "should be guillotined" as an "interpretation" just because it doesn't include jokes. Is that the point we're at with the doublespeak now? If "x is true because of y" then you should be able to demonstrate y and not change the definition of y after the fact. > The moderation of this forum is incredibly permissive; the people who feel they are being censored are more often than not just getting flagged by the community for posting off-topic political rants In terms of viewpoints that can be shared the wider site moderation is relatively permissive. But the people who are feeling censored are explicitly noting three things: 1. Things on one specific topic are being flagged (by "the community," not HN) 2. Even when they relate to technology or startup matters 3. While other political stories unrelated to 1 are still being shared.
        lurk2 2y ago
        > If your claim is that HN is demonstrably permissive because there have been multiple calls for people to be executed then it really is a question of being able to back that up with examples Let’s accept that no such comments have ever been made on the site (or if they have, they’ve been removed). How do you account for all the comments I linked to which were in favor of killing the CEO? > 1. Things on one specific topic are being flagged (by "the community," not HN) 2. Even when they relate to technology or startup matters 3. While other political stories unrelated to 1 are still being shared. What topic are you referring to?
        AlecSchueler 2y ago
        > How do you account for all the comments I linked to which were in favor of killing the CEO? Why would I account for that at all? It's neither relevant to the claim I responded to (members are calling for guillotines) nor to the broader topic at hand (anything that could be seen as remotely critical of the US administration is being hushed). > What topic are you referring to? The actions of the current US administration.
- epistasis 2y ago
  While I don't doubt that at all, what does that have to do with the censorship of the mildest criticisms?
  - lurk2 2y ago
    Hacker News does not censor criticism. Even when these comments get flagged and the accounts making them have a history of bad behavior, I’ve yet to see one of them get banned. When people complain about this it’s because they think Hacker News is just orange Reddit and that removing off-topic political posts is part of some conspiracy to censor their inane opinions when they were never supposed to be posting them here to begin with.

It and anything mildly questioning the morality of the current moves being made by popular VCs including YCombinator.

lurk2 2y ago

I have seen multiple comments on Hacker News suggesting that CEOs should be guillotined.

AlecSchueler 2y ago
Could you link to two of them?
- lurk2 2y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40580037 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40580037 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40087723 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40087723
  - AlecSchueler 2y ago
    Thanks for the effort, I appreciate it, but neither of those are actually calling for anyone to be guillotined. The first is a prediction of what could happen long in the future if certain behaviours continue to worsen and the latter is asking why guillotines aren't valid solutions. Both seem to have been delivered with tongues in cheek. Have there been any comments suggesting CEOs "should be" guillotined as you claimed above?
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    - lurk2 2y ago
      > Have there been any comments suggesting CEOs "should be" guillotined as you claimed above? Fundamentally this is not a question of whether or not I can pull up specific comments that meet your interpretation of my original comment, it’s a question of whether or not Hacker News is permissive of narratives contrary to the interests of Bay Area technology executives. Here’s a few comments (some of them qualified: “I would never advocate for violence BUT…”) celebrating the murder of the United Healthcare CEO: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42318585 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42318585 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42318319 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42318319 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42318391 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42318391 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42317953 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42317953 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42368219 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42368219 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42349705 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42349705 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42349649 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42349649 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42328735 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42328735 The moderation of this forum is incredibly permissive; the people who feel they are being censored are more often than not just getting flagged by the community for posting off-topic political rants that were never permitted here to begin with.
      - AlecSchueler 2y ago
        > Fundamentally this is not a question of whether or not I can pull up specific comments that meet your interpretation of my original comment, If your claim is that HN is demonstrably permissive because there have been multiple calls for people to be executed then it really is a question of being able to back that up with examples, otherwise the "because" aspect of your assertion falls apart. I also find it bizarre that you're framing my reading of "should be guillotined" as an "interpretation" just because it doesn't include jokes. Is that the point we're at with the doublespeak now? If "x is true because of y" then you should be able to demonstrate y and not change the definition of y after the fact. > The moderation of this forum is incredibly permissive; the people who feel they are being censored are more often than not just getting flagged by the community for posting off-topic political rants In terms of viewpoints that can be shared the wider site moderation is relatively permissive. But the people who are feeling censored are explicitly noting three things: 1. Things on one specific topic are being flagged (by "the community," not HN) 2. Even when they relate to technology or startup matters 3. While other political stories unrelated to 1 are still being shared.
        lurk2 2y ago
        > If your claim is that HN is demonstrably permissive because there have been multiple calls for people to be executed then it really is a question of being able to back that up with examples Let’s accept that no such comments have ever been made on the site (or if they have, they’ve been removed). How do you account for all the comments I linked to which were in favor of killing the CEO? > 1. Things on one specific topic are being flagged (by "the community," not HN) 2. Even when they relate to technology or startup matters 3. While other political stories unrelated to 1 are still being shared. What topic are you referring to?
        AlecSchueler 2y ago
        > How do you account for all the comments I linked to which were in favor of killing the CEO? Why would I account for that at all? It's neither relevant to the claim I responded to (members are calling for guillotines) nor to the broader topic at hand (anything that could be seen as remotely critical of the US administration is being hushed). > What topic are you referring to? The actions of the current US administration.
epistasis 2y ago
While I don't doubt that at all, what does that have to do with the censorship of the mildest criticisms?
- lurk2 2y ago
  Hacker News does not censor criticism. Even when these comments get flagged and the accounts making them have a history of bad behavior, I’ve yet to see one of them get banned. When people complain about this it’s because they think Hacker News is just orange Reddit and that removing off-topic political posts is part of some conspiracy to censor their inane opinions when they were never supposed to be posting them here to begin with.