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There are so many accounts of Hamas militants executing innocent people from that event. Here is one: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67105618 https:

There are so many accounts of Hamas militants executing innocent people from that event. Here is one: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67105618 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67105618 Here is two: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videos/toi-original/watch-shocking-camera-footage-from-oct-7-hamas-gunman-executing-a-woman-at-point-blank/videoshow/105383287.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videos/toi-original/watc... Should I go on? There are so many... I think it holds water pretty well, doesn't it?

cess11 2y ago
That's one video with material from the Nova festival, and no, as you can see, the palestinian ran after them for quite some distance rather than just kill them. It is unclear whether he tried to take hostages or not. I've also explained that this event was unorganised and spontaneous, it wasn't an organised resistance activity such as I meant above. To me this material prompts the wish for justice, with due process and so on, but you apparently believe it excuses occupation and genocide. I don't think we'll reach common ground here, in part because you also seem to think it should be fine to go on a molly roll next to a concentration camp and not risk harm.
- gryzzly 2y ago
  No use arguing with such a hateful person, but other people can easily see what Gaza was before they launched their genocide against Jews on October 7: https://x.com/imshin https://x.com/imshin https://t.me/ImshinJ https://t.me/ImshinJ Check how does "concentration camp" look before Hamas started a war at expense of the peaceful population on both sides. There are many "Before October 7" videos on there, all with timestamps and sources from clips that Gazans publish themselves. Luxury villas, luxury cars, cute restaurants and good life all around. Also very sick children were routinly treated in Israeli hospitals for free. The main obstacle for poor Gazans was Hamas and their governing. Hamas also managed to smuggle enough concrete to build a tunnel system bigger than NY subway, instead of pumping these resources into Gazan society.
  - Protostome 2y ago
    Yep ... I gave up too. No use in debating someone on the actual facts.
  - runarberg 2y ago
    Calling the oct 7 terrorist attacks a genocide against the Jews it at best hyperbolic and at worst an apologia for an actual genocide. Your second paragraph makes me fear you are doing the latter. I don’t think you realize just how hateful your post actually is. You are trying to paint a picture of victims of genocide that somehow deserved the horrors done against them, or at best denies the very real horrors another state is inflicting upon them. This kind of speech has no place on a tech forum.
    - gryzzly 2y ago
      lies and hate inciting against jews do, from your perspective I guess? let me ask this - are you from the region? Have you been to middle east?
      - runarberg 2y ago
        What does that matter? After months and years of the Khmer Rouge doing the Cambodian Genocide, and after most international experts and commentators (except Noam Chomsky for some reason) concluded that the Cambodian genocide was in fact a genocide. Non-south-east Asians were still allowed to hold opinion on it. And further more, if somebody (like Noam Chomsky) would be spewing apologia for the Cambodian genocide, more people than just South-east Asians were allowed to call it out as such. Edit: Attaching the relevant Wikipedia article - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide_denial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide_denial
        gryzzly 2y ago
        I just think you don’t know what you are talking about, not that you aren’t entitled to hold an opinion. You are spewing lies and hate, and the reason is your ignorance. None of the Palestinians who seek peace will agree with anything you typed out here. They understand really well that there are two foul players – Hamas and Religious Settlers (and Bibi who plays to their tune) and they seek ways to establish bridges with Israelis (just like Israelis do with Palestinians). But you have no idea about any of that, because you read Wikipedia, and BBC and random click-baiting press.

cess11 2y ago

That's one video with material from the Nova festival, and no, as you can see, the palestinian ran after them for quite some distance rather than just kill them. It is unclear whether he tried to take hostages or not. I've also explained that this event was unorganised and spontaneous, it wasn't an organised resistance activity such as I meant above. To me this material prompts the wish for justice, with due process and so on, but you apparently believe it excuses occupation and genocide. I don't think we'll reach common ground here, in part because you also seem to think it should be fine to go on a molly roll next to a concentration camp and not risk harm.

gryzzly 2y ago
No use arguing with such a hateful person, but other people can easily see what Gaza was before they launched their genocide against Jews on October 7: https://x.com/imshin https://x.com/imshin https://t.me/ImshinJ https://t.me/ImshinJ Check how does "concentration camp" look before Hamas started a war at expense of the peaceful population on both sides. There are many "Before October 7" videos on there, all with timestamps and sources from clips that Gazans publish themselves. Luxury villas, luxury cars, cute restaurants and good life all around. Also very sick children were routinly treated in Israeli hospitals for free. The main obstacle for poor Gazans was Hamas and their governing. Hamas also managed to smuggle enough concrete to build a tunnel system bigger than NY subway, instead of pumping these resources into Gazan society.
- Protostome 2y ago
  Yep ... I gave up too. No use in debating someone on the actual facts.
- runarberg 2y ago
  Calling the oct 7 terrorist attacks a genocide against the Jews it at best hyperbolic and at worst an apologia for an actual genocide. Your second paragraph makes me fear you are doing the latter. I don’t think you realize just how hateful your post actually is. You are trying to paint a picture of victims of genocide that somehow deserved the horrors done against them, or at best denies the very real horrors another state is inflicting upon them. This kind of speech has no place on a tech forum.
  - gryzzly 2y ago
    lies and hate inciting against jews do, from your perspective I guess? let me ask this - are you from the region? Have you been to middle east?
    - runarberg 2y ago
      What does that matter? After months and years of the Khmer Rouge doing the Cambodian Genocide, and after most international experts and commentators (except Noam Chomsky for some reason) concluded that the Cambodian genocide was in fact a genocide. Non-south-east Asians were still allowed to hold opinion on it. And further more, if somebody (like Noam Chomsky) would be spewing apologia for the Cambodian genocide, more people than just South-east Asians were allowed to call it out as such. Edit: Attaching the relevant Wikipedia article - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide_denial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide_denial
      - gryzzly 2y ago
        I just think you don’t know what you are talking about, not that you aren’t entitled to hold an opinion. You are spewing lies and hate, and the reason is your ignorance. None of the Palestinians who seek peace will agree with anything you typed out here. They understand really well that there are two foul players – Hamas and Religious Settlers (and Bibi who plays to their tune) and they seek ways to establish bridges with Israelis (just like Israelis do with Palestinians). But you have no idea about any of that, because you read Wikipedia, and BBC and random click-baiting press.