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> repeating climate denial factoids Saying EVs aren't enough is climate change denial now ? lmao I bet your top 20 is full of things to buy and replace. Too b

> repeating climate denial factoids Saying EVs aren't enough is climate change denial now ? lmao I bet your top 20 is full of things to buy and replace. Too bad the only way out is to use less and do less... As long as the goal is YoY growth ad aeternam it's game over. We can talk wishful thinking all day long, the bottom line is that we're breaking pollution (and energy usage) record every single year since as long as we cared measuring it: https://climatanthropocene.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/courbe2.jpg https://climatanthropocene.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/co... So much "progress", so many "clean" alternatives yet it goes up at the same or higher rate year after year... EVs won't even put a dent on that graph, but it sure feels good to pat yourself on the back knowing you saved the planet by buying a $50k+ "clean" car, you did you part! great job!

mlyle 2y ago
> Too bad the only way out is to use less and do less... To be clear: you're saying that "doing things more efficiently" and "using power sources other than fossil fuels to do stuff" are not parts of the solution at all? > I bet your top 20 is full of things to buy and replace. T And this never makes sense? I should keep burning natural gas to heat my home forever instead of moving to use more heat pumps? I shouldn't buy solar and energy storage? > the bottom line is that we're breaking pollution (and energy usage) record every single year since as long as we cared measuring it: That's CO2 levels, not emissions. https://www.statista.com/statistics/276629/global-co2-emissions/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/276629/global-co2-emissi... We're getting closer to leveling off.
ZeroGravitas 2y ago
I agreed that EVs weren't enough, so clearly that's not one of the climate denial factoids I was referring to. (It's kind of a non statement though, nothing you or anyone else is suggesting is a silver bullet either). Other dubious things you claimed: More particulate emissions. False (reduced brake dust being a big factor) More expensive. False. Already lower TCO in most of the world, lower upfront cost in China already. Generally heading downward. Bigger. False, nothing about EVs requires them to be bigger, they scale in both directions better than ICE. Higher maintenance/early scrapping. False, already we have enough data to show they last longer. Mining. False, as already stated. If you need this many false statements to back up your point, maybe it's a bad point? What's wrong with "EVs can cut GHG by half and reduce imports of fossil fuel from unfriendly regimes, but (electric) trains, (electric) busses and (electric) bike-friendly city designs are even better than that!" No need to sound like a Fox News talking head to promote those alternatives.
more_corn 2y ago
The anti climate change lobby has introduced a new tactic to their arsenal. It’s “there’s nothing we can do so might as well live life” it’s as much a lie as every other lie they’ve tried. Theres 100% something we can do. We can decide to do better.

mlyle 2y ago

> Too bad the only way out is to use less and do less... To be clear: you're saying that "doing things more efficiently" and "using power sources other than fossil fuels to do stuff" are not parts of the solution at all? > I bet your top 20 is full of things to buy and replace. T And this never makes sense? I should keep burning natural gas to heat my home forever instead of moving to use more heat pumps? I shouldn't buy solar and energy storage? > the bottom line is that we're breaking pollution (and energy usage) record every single year since as long as we cared measuring it: That's CO2 levels, not emissions. https://www.statista.com/statistics/276629/global-co2-emissions/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/276629/global-co2-emissi... We're getting closer to leveling off.

ZeroGravitas 2y ago

I agreed that EVs weren't enough, so clearly that's not one of the climate denial factoids I was referring to. (It's kind of a non statement though, nothing you or anyone else is suggesting is a silver bullet either). Other dubious things you claimed: More particulate emissions. False (reduced brake dust being a big factor) More expensive. False. Already lower TCO in most of the world, lower upfront cost in China already. Generally heading downward. Bigger. False, nothing about EVs requires them to be bigger, they scale in both directions better than ICE. Higher maintenance/early scrapping. False, already we have enough data to show they last longer. Mining. False, as already stated. If you need this many false statements to back up your point, maybe it's a bad point? What's wrong with "EVs can cut GHG by half and reduce imports of fossil fuel from unfriendly regimes, but (electric) trains, (electric) busses and (electric) bike-friendly city designs are even better than that!" No need to sound like a Fox News talking head to promote those alternatives.

more_corn 2y ago

The anti climate change lobby has introduced a new tactic to their arsenal. It’s “there’s nothing we can do so might as well live life” it’s as much a lie as every other lie they’ve tried. Theres 100% something we can do. We can decide to do better.