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Apparently you haven't watched any footage from those events. If you had, you'd have noticed that the unorganised second wave consisted of rather confused peopl
by cess11 2y ago
Apparently you haven't watched any footage from those events. If you had, you'd have noticed that the unorganised second wave consisted of rather confused people mulling around, not knowing what to do, and that mostly they tried to take hostages and prisoners. There is evidence of some cruelty, like a grenade thrown into a shelter, but "hundreds of unarmed civilians gunned down without mercy" just doesn't hold water.
In total 364 corpses were found, including cops and irregular combatants and so on. It's unknown how many of those were Hellfire:d, likely a rather large portion judging from the photos of the aftermath where you can see pretty much every car at the location having been blown up by helicopter.
At the very least it was nothing like the deep cruelty and genocidal mania of the occupation forces. They use snipers to systematically target small children, as you should know.
Palestinians commonly ask 'where are the arabs?' when they're crying and desperate in the aftermath of some israeli atrocity. It is because there is very little community among the arab populations in the Middle East that has allowed for Iran to help supply and train armed resistance groups in Palestine. Palestinians know this better than you or I do.
Last summer the ICJ published their considerations regarding the occupation and deemed it illegal and demanded that it ends immediately. A year ago they found it plausible that Israel is committing genocide and ordered the state to stop with possibly genocidal actions. Consistently and regularly israeli pundits and politicians are confessing to genocide on national television, the Internet and so on. Here's the defense minister in a recent speech:
"Residents of Gaza, this is your final warning. The first Sinwar destroyed Gaza, and the second Sinwar will bring upon it total ruin. The Israeli Air Force's attack against Hamas terrorists was only the first step. What follows will be far harsher, and you will bear the full cost.
Evacuation of the population from combat zones will soon resume. If all Israeli hostages are not released and Hamas is not kicked out of Gaza, Israel will act with force you have not known before.
Take the advice of the U.S. President: return the hostages and kick out Hamas, and new options will open up for you—including relocation to other parts of the world for those who choose. The alternative is destruction and total devastation."
This isn't aimed solely at the palestinians, Israel is doing the same in Lebanon, where they destroy crops and forests with illegal weapons like phosphor bombs, and they systematically destroy homes, historical monuments and infrastructure. They also occupy lebanese territory, and they occupy Syrian territory. Currently they are also in breach of the peace agreement with Egypt. It is a criminal, expansionist state. This is surely evil. If it's pure evil? I don't know, don't care, that difference doesn't mean anything to me.
- Protostome 2y agoThere are so many accounts of Hamas militants executing innocent people from that event. Here is one: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67105618 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67105618 Here is two: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videos/toi-original/watch-shocking-camera-footage-from-oct-7-hamas-gunman-executing-a-woman-at-point-blank/videoshow/105383287.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videos/toi-original/watc... Should I go on? There are so many... I think it holds water pretty well, doesn't it?
- cess11 2y agoThat's one video with material from the Nova festival, and no, as you can see, the palestinian ran after them for quite some distance rather than just kill them. It is unclear whether he tried to take hostages or not. I've also explained that this event was unorganised and spontaneous, it wasn't an organised resistance activity such as I meant above. To me this material prompts the wish for justice, with due process and so on, but you apparently believe it excuses occupation and genocide. I don't think we'll reach common ground here, in part because you also seem to think it should be fine to go on a molly roll next to a concentration camp and not risk harm.
- gryzzly 2y agoNo use arguing with such a hateful person, but other people can easily see what Gaza was before they launched their genocide against Jews on October 7: https://x.com/imshin https://x.com/imshin https://t.me/ImshinJ https://t.me/ImshinJ Check how does "concentration camp" look before Hamas started a war at expense of the peaceful population on both sides. There are many "Before October 7" videos on there, all with timestamps and sources from clips that Gazans publish themselves. Luxury villas, luxury cars, cute restaurants and good life all around. Also very sick children were routinly treated in Israeli hospitals for free. The main obstacle for poor Gazans was Hamas and their governing. Hamas also managed to smuggle enough concrete to build a tunnel system bigger than NY subway, instead of pumping these resources into Gazan society.
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