I find this problem much easier to talk about face-to-face - my catchphrase on th subject involves gestures: "All we've done is trade this kind of complexity <h

I find this problem much easier to talk about face-to-face - my catchphrase on th subject involves gestures: "All we've done is trade this kind of complexity <holds hands about two feet apart, vertically> for this kind of complexity <holds hand about four feet apart horizontally>.