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> Passion and interest don't really come across ... What an oblivious statement made by your actual reviewer!

by cbracketdash 2y ago

CalRobert 2y ago
A useful reminder of the nature of academia
- organsnyder 2y ago
  Many corporate cultures are no different.
moralestapia 2y ago
??? Can't see anything. Was the page edited perhaps?
- szszrk 2y ago
  It's still there on one of the last screenshots: https://fastcall.dev/reviewed-3.png https://fastcall.dev/reviewed-3.png
- Twisol 2y ago
  It's in one of the screenshots, in the part about how they could fetch their reviewer's full name and comments.
fastcall 2y ago
Actually only the first screenshot is a review of my application, I asked some friends for their credentials to test the information disclosure out. (you would only get 1 review per application) Sorry if that wasn’t clear in the blog post!
ForTheKidz 2y ago
Tbh, if I could go to a conference that guaranteed all signs of passion and interest would be banned, it would be depressing.... but far more useful. Passion is something best saved for happy hour. The best advice I've received is not from passionate people but rather people who have resigned themselves to the work. Very grateful I'm nowhere near conferences or academia, but equally grateful others are doing the work filtering the bullshit out for me.
neilv 2y ago
Agreed. Admittedly, "passion and interest don't really come across" might've been a valid impression, since the post after sounds like it wasn't the top priority: > I decided to apply even though I was pretty busy that weekend, hoping my schedule would clear by the time the hackathon came around. However, this could be yet another instance of gatekeeping that has sprung up, now that there's tons of money involved, and a whole lot of petty posturing and maneuvering. When I was a kid, from a non-affluent family, who was fortunate to be able to start programming computers, I could just do things. I'm not aware of anyone ever being appointed arbiter of whether I had enough "passion and interest" to participate in some activity or venue. You'd just show up, and other enthusiasts would be reasonably encouraging and supportive. Too much nowadays in our field has a whiff of being about classism and collusion, to create barriers to joining the clique. Don't get me started on the obviously frat-pledging interviews that Google popularized, and then way too many newcomers mimicked that gatekeeping baggery, as if it was good and reasonable, rather than bro snobbery.
- BoorishBears 2y ago
  You can still just show up. A recent highly advertised hackathon rejected my application. I DM'd an organizer and got told there was no space at the venue. I showed up anyways and security was checking names before allowing entrants in. Walk in with a box of "stuff" and shuffle over with a look of friendly inconvenience, and as they're scouring the list for my name: "Oh uh sorry I was a really late application so I might be towards the end or something". "Ah thanks for letting me know!", and after some half hearted searching security pens in my name, and off I go. My team ended up being finalists. The room was probably half empty btw. I get fire codes are a thing but as someone who's helped organize hackathons, organizers are notorious for overestimating the conversion rate from "accepted" to "actually shows up"
  - jononor 2y ago
    Nice job hacking the hackathon!

> Passion and interest don't really come across ... What an oblivious statement made by your actual reviewer!

CalRobert 2y ago

A useful reminder of the nature of academia

organsnyder 2y ago
Many corporate cultures are no different.

moralestapia 2y ago

??? Can't see anything. Was the page edited perhaps?

szszrk 2y ago
It's still there on one of the last screenshots: https://fastcall.dev/reviewed-3.png https://fastcall.dev/reviewed-3.png
Twisol 2y ago
It's in one of the screenshots, in the part about how they could fetch their reviewer's full name and comments.

fastcall 2y ago

Actually only the first screenshot is a review of my application, I asked some friends for their credentials to test the information disclosure out. (you would only get 1 review per application) Sorry if that wasn’t clear in the blog post!

ForTheKidz 2y ago

Tbh, if I could go to a conference that guaranteed all signs of passion and interest would be banned, it would be depressing.... but far more useful. Passion is something best saved for happy hour. The best advice I've received is not from passionate people but rather people who have resigned themselves to the work. Very grateful I'm nowhere near conferences or academia, but equally grateful others are doing the work filtering the bullshit out for me.

neilv 2y ago

Agreed. Admittedly, "passion and interest don't really come across" might've been a valid impression, since the post after sounds like it wasn't the top priority: > I decided to apply even though I was pretty busy that weekend, hoping my schedule would clear by the time the hackathon came around. However, this could be yet another instance of gatekeeping that has sprung up, now that there's tons of money involved, and a whole lot of petty posturing and maneuvering. When I was a kid, from a non-affluent family, who was fortunate to be able to start programming computers, I could just do things. I'm not aware of anyone ever being appointed arbiter of whether I had enough "passion and interest" to participate in some activity or venue. You'd just show up, and other enthusiasts would be reasonably encouraging and supportive. Too much nowadays in our field has a whiff of being about classism and collusion, to create barriers to joining the clique. Don't get me started on the obviously frat-pledging interviews that Google popularized, and then way too many newcomers mimicked that gatekeeping baggery, as if it was good and reasonable, rather than bro snobbery.

BoorishBears 2y ago
You can still just show up. A recent highly advertised hackathon rejected my application. I DM'd an organizer and got told there was no space at the venue. I showed up anyways and security was checking names before allowing entrants in. Walk in with a box of "stuff" and shuffle over with a look of friendly inconvenience, and as they're scouring the list for my name: "Oh uh sorry I was a really late application so I might be towards the end or something". "Ah thanks for letting me know!", and after some half hearted searching security pens in my name, and off I go. My team ended up being finalists. The room was probably half empty btw. I get fire codes are a thing but as someone who's helped organize hackathons, organizers are notorious for overestimating the conversion rate from "accepted" to "actually shows up"
- jononor 2y ago
  Nice job hacking the hackathon!