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Ah yes, the four foundational criteria to rate a hackathon application: passionAndInterest, projectAndPracticalExp, techSkillsAndExp, diversity

by ngruhn 2y ago

falcor84 2y ago
I found that jarring too. Diversity can only really be a criterion of a group, not an individual. Otherwise it's just tokenism.
- dmurray 2y ago
  It could be a measure of each candidate's difference (in diversity points) from the overall cohort, which is an approximation of how much the diversity of the group will change by accepting/rejecting this candidate. But that seems hard to implement - you'd have to recalculate this for every candidate every time you got a new candidate - so perhaps we can implement an optimization: approximate this by estimating the distribution of the group and measuring differences from some centroid. HR teams, I'm available for techwashing consultancy.
  - falcor84 2y ago
    > HR teams, I'm available for techwashing consultancy. Nice! Especially if coupled with a secondary business whereby you train applicants on how to increase their "diversity points" EDIT: I think I have the appropriate "one weird trick": flood the pool with fake applications grouped together but very dissimilar to you.
JackDanMeier 2y ago
What would this realistically be rated on? If anything it seems like racial profiling
- cyrillite 2y ago
  Don’t forget sex and randomly inferred things too!
- kimixa 2y ago
  Could be diversity of proposal - if they don't want 50 people all trying to solve "the same problem"
  - Brian_K_White 2y ago
    No one uses the word diversity by itself to mean that. Even if the writer did, it still isn't reasonable for a million readers to presume that a writer meant anything other than what they wrote, according to the consensus usage of the the words/phrases in the given context. It only makes sense to assume the writer meant what most readers would interpret they meant, and don't move off of that assumption unless the writer issues some update or correction.
- 9dev 2y ago
  Pretty obvious—"Guys, this year we need a few people of color and especially women on the hackathon, I don't want another white wiener party!" So they artificially skew the participants by granting bonus points for any minority groups.
  - barry-cotter 2y ago
    I like how your imagined DEI HR bureaucrat[1] engages in Asian erasure. 100% credible. [1]in soul if not title
przemub 2y ago
In Stalinist and Maoist countries you’d get extra points for uni when coming from a worker or farmer family. Times change, ideologies change, but some things don’t.
- TwoPhonesOneKid 2y ago
  That actually makes sense from the perspective of a state managing its labor force, though. That's just smart. "Diversity" for its own sake is just meaningless centrist bullshit.

Ah yes, the four foundational criteria to rate a hackathon application: passionAndInterest, projectAndPracticalExp, techSkillsAndExp, diversity

by ngruhn 2y ago

Ah yes, the four foundational criteria to rate a hackathon application: passionAndInterest, projectAndPracticalExp, techSkillsAndExp, diversity

falcor84 2y ago

I found that jarring too. Diversity can only really be a criterion of a group, not an individual. Otherwise it's just tokenism.

dmurray 2y ago
It could be a measure of each candidate's difference (in diversity points) from the overall cohort, which is an approximation of how much the diversity of the group will change by accepting/rejecting this candidate. But that seems hard to implement - you'd have to recalculate this for every candidate every time you got a new candidate - so perhaps we can implement an optimization: approximate this by estimating the distribution of the group and measuring differences from some centroid. HR teams, I'm available for techwashing consultancy.
- falcor84 2y ago
  > HR teams, I'm available for techwashing consultancy. Nice! Especially if coupled with a secondary business whereby you train applicants on how to increase their "diversity points" EDIT: I think I have the appropriate "one weird trick": flood the pool with fake applications grouped together but very dissimilar to you.

JackDanMeier 2y ago

What would this realistically be rated on? If anything it seems like racial profiling

cyrillite 2y ago
Don’t forget sex and randomly inferred things too!
kimixa 2y ago
Could be diversity of proposal - if they don't want 50 people all trying to solve "the same problem"
- Brian_K_White 2y ago
  No one uses the word diversity by itself to mean that. Even if the writer did, it still isn't reasonable for a million readers to presume that a writer meant anything other than what they wrote, according to the consensus usage of the the words/phrases in the given context. It only makes sense to assume the writer meant what most readers would interpret they meant, and don't move off of that assumption unless the writer issues some update or correction.
9dev 2y ago
Pretty obvious—"Guys, this year we need a few people of color and especially women on the hackathon, I don't want another white wiener party!" So they artificially skew the participants by granting bonus points for any minority groups.
- barry-cotter 2y ago
  I like how your imagined DEI HR bureaucrat[1] engages in Asian erasure. 100% credible. [1]in soul if not title

przemub 2y ago

In Stalinist and Maoist countries you’d get extra points for uni when coming from a worker or farmer family. Times change, ideologies change, but some things don’t.

TwoPhonesOneKid 2y ago
That actually makes sense from the perspective of a state managing its labor force, though. That's just smart. "Diversity" for its own sake is just meaningless centrist bullshit.