> No way do I want to work with someone who can’t debug or write tests. I thought those were entry stakes to the profession. Those are almost entry stakes at t

> No way do I want to work with someone who can’t debug or write tests. I thought those were entry stakes to the profession. Those are almost entry stakes at tier-one companies. (There are still people who can't, it's just much less common) In your average CRUD/enterprise automation/one-off shellscript factory, the state of skills is... not fun. There's a reason there's the old saw of "some people have twenty years experience, some have the same year 20 times over". People learn & grow when they are challenged to, and will mostly settle at acquiring the minimum skill level that lets them do their particular work. And since we as an industry decided to pretend we're a "science", not skills based, we don't have a decent apprenticeship system that would force a minimum bar. And whenever we discuss LLMs and how they might replace software engineering, I keep remembering that they'll be prompted by the people who set that hiring bar and thought they did well.