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> you won't be able to compete with game devs from lower CoL countries. I mean, those devs might unionize as well. Certainly would've helped both the ZA/UM and

> you won't be able to compete with game devs from lower CoL countries. I mean, those devs might unionize as well. Certainly would've helped both the ZA/UM and CD Projekt Red devs, for different reasons.

FirmwareBurner 2y ago
>I mean, those devs might unionize as well. The word "might" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. If unionization in Asia was so easy we would have seen it happen a long time ago, but what we saw instead was suicide nets on buildings.
- Apocryphon 2y ago
  That caricature was so long ago a new caricature (from seven years ago) has emerged to lampoon it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpB9Aeq8lUA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpB9Aeq8lUA Granted, I have no doubt that the work culture is much tougher than in North America. But even the Chinese government has recognized 996 and taken steps to address it. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/east-asia/china-neijuan-involution-overcompetition-996-work-culture-5000326 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/east-asia/china-neijuan-invo... Also, Foxconn manufacturing isn't exactly the same thing as NetEase video game development, even if they both exist within the same labor environment.
  - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
    >That caricature Foxconn workers killing themselves by jumping off their office budling is a caricature to you? How out of touch can you be?
    - Apocryphon 2y ago
      Those tragedies largely ended after 2011. One would assume things have changed since then. https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/12/27/business/Improving-Working-Conditions-at-Foxconn.html https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012... https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/apple-foxconn-factory-conditions-improved-but-more-work-remains https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/apple-foxconn-factory-c...

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> you won't be able to compete with game devs from lower CoL countries. I mean, those devs might unionize as well. Certainly would've helped both the ZA/UM and

by Apocryphon 2y ago

FirmwareBurner 2y ago
>I mean, those devs might unionize as well. The word "might" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. If unionization in Asia was so easy we would have seen it happen a long time ago, but what we saw instead was suicide nets on buildings.
- Apocryphon 2y ago
  That caricature was so long ago a new caricature (from seven years ago) has emerged to lampoon it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpB9Aeq8lUA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpB9Aeq8lUA Granted, I have no doubt that the work culture is much tougher than in North America. But even the Chinese government has recognized 996 and taken steps to address it. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/east-asia/china-neijuan-involution-overcompetition-996-work-culture-5000326 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/east-asia/china-neijuan-invo... Also, Foxconn manufacturing isn't exactly the same thing as NetEase video game development, even if they both exist within the same labor environment.
  - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
    >That caricature Foxconn workers killing themselves by jumping off their office budling is a caricature to you? How out of touch can you be?
    - Apocryphon 2y ago
      Those tragedies largely ended after 2011. One would assume things have changed since then. https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/12/27/business/Improving-Working-Conditions-at-Foxconn.html https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012... https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/apple-foxconn-factory-conditions-improved-but-more-work-remains https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/apple-foxconn-factory-c...