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No, YOU are looking at it naively. In the past 100 years the following countries have slipped from democracies to authoritarian states: Germany, Italy, Spain,

by 7bit 2y ago

No, YOU are looking at it naively. In the past 100 years the following countries have slipped from democracies to authoritarian states: Germany, Italy, Spain, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Argentina, Chile, Russia, Turkey, Nicaragua. Some of them recovered, others never did. Look at Turkey for example. If you think you are safe, you aren't.

DrScientist 2y ago
So your answer is it's inevitable that any country will slip into authoritarianism so we must live as if we are in one already - and create a whole society around being able to subvert authority. Have you considered that massively enables organised criminal elements in democracies and increases the chances of a slide into authoritarianism?
7bit 2y ago
What are you talking about? I don't want to change anything. You are the one advocating that social media should require any comments being identifiable via id...
- DrScientist 2y ago
  First I'm not advocating it - I'm saying it's inevitable - because if you want to not change society away from a model where people are responsbile for their actions, then you need enable that accountability. It's a bit like in the good-old days of the internet when everyone trusted everyone else - life was simple and good. Then the bad actors came, and so did SSL, firewalls, n factor auth etc etc. Search engine results became less good as people gamed the rankings. You have to adapt. In Europe we take a different view from America - in America mass school shootings are a price worth paying for the right to own a gun. In the UK there is a presumption that they really isn't any good reason for owning a handgun, nevermind an assault rifle, so it's pretty hard to get one. Freedom is multi-dimensional - and not absolute. I'm free of worrying my child will be shot at school, but less free to own a gun. Same goes for freedoms on the internet - in the end it's about a pragmatic choice about what's best and I'm saying that pragmatic choice is already encapsulated in centuries of legal tradition - the internet doesn't change that - people, in the end, need to be accountable for their actions.

by 7bit 2y ago

DrScientist 2y ago

So your answer is it's inevitable that any country will slip into authoritarianism so we must live as if we are in one already - and create a whole society around being able to subvert authority. Have you considered that massively enables organised criminal elements in democracies and increases the chances of a slide into authoritarianism?

7bit 2y ago

What are you talking about? I don't want to change anything. You are the one advocating that social media should require any comments being identifiable via id...

DrScientist 2y ago
First I'm not advocating it - I'm saying it's inevitable - because if you want to not change society away from a model where people are responsbile for their actions, then you need enable that accountability. It's a bit like in the good-old days of the internet when everyone trusted everyone else - life was simple and good. Then the bad actors came, and so did SSL, firewalls, n factor auth etc etc. Search engine results became less good as people gamed the rankings. You have to adapt. In Europe we take a different view from America - in America mass school shootings are a price worth paying for the right to own a gun. In the UK there is a presumption that they really isn't any good reason for owning a handgun, nevermind an assault rifle, so it's pretty hard to get one. Freedom is multi-dimensional - and not absolute. I'm free of worrying my child will be shot at school, but less free to own a gun. Same goes for freedoms on the internet - in the end it's about a pragmatic choice about what's best and I'm saying that pragmatic choice is already encapsulated in centuries of legal tradition - the internet doesn't change that - people, in the end, need to be accountable for their actions.