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So it didn't bo(e)ing into the ground yet most people here shit on Elon. I take that guy over those that killed 500 people by trying to save money on a sensor.

sophacles 2y ago
It turns out, no matter how hard you squint, no matter how many drugs you take, or how many times you smash yourself in the head with a hammer, the fact remains: Elon is a human person. As such, he has many skills and many faults. This is something true of all humans. It seems that two of Elon's skills are: hire rocket scientists and not insert him self too much in the process of rocket science to cause catastrophe. Elon also has faults, and those are fair game to shit on. An egotistical blowhard that lies about being good at video games like a third grader desperate for friends on the the playground can also be good at hiring rocket scientists. They are orthogonal facts and can both exist at the same time.
- trompetenaccoun 2y ago
  >not insert him self too much in the process of rocket science to cause catastrophe The fact that many believe all these companies thrive despite the leadership is fascinating. I've heard this same take over and over. One can't keep hiring the right people and make the right decisions without understanding how things work. Bezos is an extremely skilled manager yet his space company, which has actually been around longer than SpaceX as well, amounted to nothing like it. We could write it off to pure luck maybe, if Musk weren't a serial entrepreneur. There must be some sort of psychological phenomenon explaining this irrational way of viewing his achievements. I feel like that often when people talk about Musk they aren't even talking about him but some sort of fictional character that seems to exist purely in the imagination of certain people. And it's never those who actually worked with him.
  - sophacles 2y ago
    I think you're being just a bit too triggered by my calling out one of his negatives - and it's delusional to think a grown man lying about his video game prowess to impress randoms isn't extremely pathetic - to see that this is an actual skill. A common failure mode of leaders is to get too down into the trenches and insert themselves into places that would be better left alone. Even very technical leaders in an area of their expertise - they can demoralize a team by telling them to do it better and belittling them, they can be too excited and change plans too often for the boring but necessary work to get done right, they can just be over-bearing and take on a pile of work they hired others to do (to "do it right myself") and fail from the load/burnout. It's a genuine skill to not over-insert oneself. My literal message was Elon Musk is a human, with good and bad traits - then I listed some of each. > I feel like that often when people talk about Musk they aren't even talking about him but some sort of fictional character that seems to exist purely in the imagination of certain people. I know this psychological phenomenon its called projection - I'm not worshiping a fictional engineering and management god called Elon Musk, so when I call out bad things he's done you take your fictionalization and assume I'm doing the same sort of thing.

sophacles 2y ago

It turns out, no matter how hard you squint, no matter how many drugs you take, or how many times you smash yourself in the head with a hammer, the fact remains: Elon is a human person. As such, he has many skills and many faults. This is something true of all humans. It seems that two of Elon's skills are: hire rocket scientists and not insert him self too much in the process of rocket science to cause catastrophe. Elon also has faults, and those are fair game to shit on. An egotistical blowhard that lies about being good at video games like a third grader desperate for friends on the the playground can also be good at hiring rocket scientists. They are orthogonal facts and can both exist at the same time.

trompetenaccoun 2y ago
>not insert him self too much in the process of rocket science to cause catastrophe The fact that many believe all these companies thrive despite the leadership is fascinating. I've heard this same take over and over. One can't keep hiring the right people and make the right decisions without understanding how things work. Bezos is an extremely skilled manager yet his space company, which has actually been around longer than SpaceX as well, amounted to nothing like it. We could write it off to pure luck maybe, if Musk weren't a serial entrepreneur. There must be some sort of psychological phenomenon explaining this irrational way of viewing his achievements. I feel like that often when people talk about Musk they aren't even talking about him but some sort of fictional character that seems to exist purely in the imagination of certain people. And it's never those who actually worked with him.
- sophacles 2y ago
  I think you're being just a bit too triggered by my calling out one of his negatives - and it's delusional to think a grown man lying about his video game prowess to impress randoms isn't extremely pathetic - to see that this is an actual skill. A common failure mode of leaders is to get too down into the trenches and insert themselves into places that would be better left alone. Even very technical leaders in an area of their expertise - they can demoralize a team by telling them to do it better and belittling them, they can be too excited and change plans too often for the boring but necessary work to get done right, they can just be over-bearing and take on a pile of work they hired others to do (to "do it right myself") and fail from the load/burnout. It's a genuine skill to not over-insert oneself. My literal message was Elon Musk is a human, with good and bad traits - then I listed some of each. > I feel like that often when people talk about Musk they aren't even talking about him but some sort of fictional character that seems to exist purely in the imagination of certain people. I know this psychological phenomenon its called projection - I'm not worshiping a fictional engineering and management god called Elon Musk, so when I call out bad things he's done you take your fictionalization and assume I'm doing the same sort of thing.