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The EU is betraying users, weakening their privacy for politics

4 points by alwillis 2y ago

Kelteseth 2y ago
Why is it that people who are not even affected by this cry the loudest? I, an EU citizen, love that we are standing up to the big corporations like this. GO EU!
- bigyabai 2y ago
  You gotta love when the first sentence of an article's body paragraph walks back the only salient concern users could have: > Maybe Apple will never fully walk away from Europe What do Apple customers even have to worry about? App developers making too much money? Apple Intelligence getting delayed until third-party, non-OpenAI options are given equal footing? It's all so terribly sad watching affiliate sites try to demonize the effort. Apple has already lost, we're in the rectification phase now.
palata 2y ago
I strongly disagree with this article, I think that the DMA is great. This article, to me, sounds like "oh no, the EU is making it harder for monopolies to keep their monopoly, it will surely hurt the users!". I strongly believe it is the opposite: the DMA is going against monopolies with the goal to allow more competition, and therefore better products for users. If the EU doesn't get Apple features, great: that will leave space for competitors. And the EU really needs as many non-US competitors as possible, because the US have become hostile.
- alwillis 2y ago
  > If the EU doesn't get Apple features, great: that will leave space for competitors. I don’t think it’s okay that EU customers don’t get full use of their iPhones for bureaucratic reasons.
  - palata 2y ago
    I don't understand what a bureaucratic reason is. The reason is that we try to regulate monopolies. Bureaucracy is just how you regulate. Are you against regulations then?
Philpax 2y ago
If you don't want to be hit by the anti-monopoly legislation, just don't be a monopoly.
- alwillis 2y ago
  Apple certainly isn’t a monopoly as it’s usually understood. They aren’t the dominant smartphone manufacturer in the EU; the United States is the only country where Apple’s market share is around 50%.
  - palata 2y ago
    Apple most certainly abuses their dominant position (like any company if you allow them). The fact that nobody can use the NFC to build a payment app because Apple can keep it to themselves is abusive. The interoperability clause of the DMA aims at preventing that kind of abuse.
    - charcircuit 2y ago
      To be fair Google and Samsung don't let you build payment apps either.

4 points by alwillis 2y ago

Why is it that people who are not even affected by this cry the loudest? I, an EU citizen, love that we are standing up to the big corporations like this. GO EU!

bigyabai 2y ago
You gotta love when the first sentence of an article's body paragraph walks back the only salient concern users could have: > Maybe Apple will never fully walk away from Europe What do Apple customers even have to worry about? App developers making too much money? Apple Intelligence getting delayed until third-party, non-OpenAI options are given equal footing? It's all so terribly sad watching affiliate sites try to demonize the effort. Apple has already lost, we're in the rectification phase now.

palata 2y ago

I strongly disagree with this article, I think that the DMA is great. This article, to me, sounds like "oh no, the EU is making it harder for monopolies to keep their monopoly, it will surely hurt the users!". I strongly believe it is the opposite: the DMA is going against monopolies with the goal to allow more competition, and therefore better products for users. If the EU doesn't get Apple features, great: that will leave space for competitors. And the EU really needs as many non-US competitors as possible, because the US have become hostile.

alwillis 2y ago
> If the EU doesn't get Apple features, great: that will leave space for competitors. I don’t think it’s okay that EU customers don’t get full use of their iPhones for bureaucratic reasons.
- palata 2y ago
  I don't understand what a bureaucratic reason is. The reason is that we try to regulate monopolies. Bureaucracy is just how you regulate. Are you against regulations then?

Philpax 2y ago

If you don't want to be hit by the anti-monopoly legislation, just don't be a monopoly.

alwillis 2y ago
Apple certainly isn’t a monopoly as it’s usually understood. They aren’t the dominant smartphone manufacturer in the EU; the United States is the only country where Apple’s market share is around 50%.
- palata 2y ago
  Apple most certainly abuses their dominant position (like any company if you allow them). The fact that nobody can use the NFC to build a payment app because Apple can keep it to themselves is abusive. The interoperability clause of the DMA aims at preventing that kind of abuse.
  - charcircuit 2y ago
    To be fair Google and Samsung don't let you build payment apps either.