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> People in government having a job doing something you think isn't useful isn't corruption, though I didn't say anything about that; I don't think I know enou

> People in government having a job doing something you think isn't useful isn't corruption, though I didn't say anything about that; I don't think I know enough yet to have a fully formed opinion. But I do think that the overly powerful DC bureaucracy, DC NGOs, and corruption that holds it together is a worthy common enemy for all of us - that's what I'm trying to point out. I'm actually amazed at Democrats' position on this. I grew up in a Democratic family... We used to be the anti-establishment party! JFK was a Democrat - and he's the one who was apparently taken out by the CIA because he said he was going to destroy it. It used to be Republicans who wanted to keep the institutional status quo in DC. Either way, I think a pro-Democracy attitude will oppose growing power of unelected officials, regardless of political leanings.

alxjrvs 2y ago
> Either way, I think a pro-Democracy attitude will oppose growing power of unelected officials, regardless of political leanings. DOGE is headed by an unelected official, from a party with not a lot of Pro-democracy leanings to spare right now.
- TimTheTinker 2y ago
  DOGE headed by Elon Musk was one of Trump's foremost campaign promises. In terms of democracy, that is about as direct of an electoral mandate as possible. > not a lot of Pro-democracy leanings to spare right now How about having been duly elected in the ballot boxes? Being pro-democracy means accepting and implementing the will of the people. (Trump disputed the election results in 2020 because he believed there was widespread election fraud. That may be evidence he was deluded, but I don't think it's necessarily evidence of being anti-democracy in his leanings.)
  - tzs 2y ago
    > > not a lot of Pro-democracy leanings to spare right now > How about having been duly elected by a landslide majority in ballot boxes? How is 49.8% a "landslide majority"?
    - TimTheTinker 2y ago
      I stand corrected, thanks. Edited my comment.
  - alxjrvs 2y ago
    > I don't think it's necessarily evidence of being anti-democracy in his leanings. This is either willful ignorance or something else.
    - TimTheTinker 2y ago
      It's a complete distrust in the media and all they say.
      - alxjrvs 2y ago
        What about your own lying eyes?
        TimTheTinker 2y ago
        I'm not sure what you mean... could you elaborate?
        alxjrvs 2y ago
        It was a sideways reference to an old line from a detective movie. I'm trying to say that the emperor is nude, and you are arguing that the threads might be so small as to not see them - or, rather, that the Media said he was naked, so while the president claims that he is wearing clothes, and that might be evidence he is deluded, his open ass in the wind not evidence of his pro-nudity leanings. (This ignores the fact that he rose from the republican party, one that has been operating in full defiance of open democracy since bush v. gore. Republcans don't want "the will of the people", otherwise they wouldn't push so hard for voter suppression.) It's a claim so baffling that it makes me assume you aren't operating in good faith.

alxjrvs 2y ago

> Either way, I think a pro-Democracy attitude will oppose growing power of unelected officials, regardless of political leanings. DOGE is headed by an unelected official, from a party with not a lot of Pro-democracy leanings to spare right now.

TimTheTinker 2y ago
DOGE headed by Elon Musk was one of Trump's foremost campaign promises. In terms of democracy, that is about as direct of an electoral mandate as possible. > not a lot of Pro-democracy leanings to spare right now How about having been duly elected in the ballot boxes? Being pro-democracy means accepting and implementing the will of the people. (Trump disputed the election results in 2020 because he believed there was widespread election fraud. That may be evidence he was deluded, but I don't think it's necessarily evidence of being anti-democracy in his leanings.)
- tzs 2y ago
  > > not a lot of Pro-democracy leanings to spare right now > How about having been duly elected by a landslide majority in ballot boxes? How is 49.8% a "landslide majority"?
  - TimTheTinker 2y ago
    I stand corrected, thanks. Edited my comment.
- alxjrvs 2y ago
  > I don't think it's necessarily evidence of being anti-democracy in his leanings. This is either willful ignorance or something else.
  - TimTheTinker 2y ago
    It's a complete distrust in the media and all they say.
    - alxjrvs 2y ago
      What about your own lying eyes?
      - TimTheTinker 2y ago
        I'm not sure what you mean... could you elaborate?
        alxjrvs 2y ago
        It was a sideways reference to an old line from a detective movie. I'm trying to say that the emperor is nude, and you are arguing that the threads might be so small as to not see them - or, rather, that the Media said he was naked, so while the president claims that he is wearing clothes, and that might be evidence he is deluded, his open ass in the wind not evidence of his pro-nudity leanings. (This ignores the fact that he rose from the republican party, one that has been operating in full defiance of open democracy since bush v. gore. Republcans don't want "the will of the people", otherwise they wouldn't push so hard for voter suppression.) It's a claim so baffling that it makes me assume you aren't operating in good faith.