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I'm clearly out of the loop on this, how did seed oils become a big news topic? I've seen random posts on Reddit and now this.

fkyoureadthedoc 2y ago
Seed oils are part of RFK's agenda, he doesn't like them. I'm not sure that position is informed by facts though. He recently did a publicity stunt with a restaurant that replaced their fry oil with beef tallow.
- JohnTHaller 2y ago
  Most of what RFK (and MAGA as a whole) does is without any sort of peer reviewed science behind it. They're against masks, mRNA vaccines, vaccines in general, seed oils, wind, solar, etc.
davidmurdoch 2y ago
I think the source is that years and years ago someone plotted seed oil consumption and heart disease on a graph, probably attempting to show a correlation. And now we've got claims of causation.
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  That'd be a good one to add to https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations.
aggie 2y ago
I've seen it discussed on Twitter for a while, mostly on the right. As best I can tell it is related to a general trend toward distrust of big agriculture, big pharma, big institutions in general as seed oils are painted as a product of that whereas animal fats are a "retvrn" type of diet (or from another POV, a Michael Pollan diet). Funny to see the political factions shifting around and the horseshoe connecting left and right on nutrition.
streptomycin 2y ago
There's always a new villain to explain why people are so fat, because people don't want to accept the obvious answer. Previous villain was corn syrup, you hear about that less these days. New villain is seed oils. Similar lack of evidence for either being worse than their "healthy" alternative (normal sugar or other fats). Check back in 5 years and there will be another villain.
- seec 2y ago
  It's hilarious how much nonsense people will say in order to pretend that the CiCo (Calories-in Calories-out) model does not work. When in fact anyone who has even remotely tried knows very well that it works perfectly but it's just difficult and time consuming to get proper measurements of in and out parts. But modern times have made this much easier and much more precise.
mmsimanga 2y ago
Much like you I too have just woken up from under my rock to find this out. On the bright side it seems we didn't miss anything so as you were.
CSMastermind 2y ago
It's been building for decades in alternative health circles. There's legitimate science about them dating back to the late 80s/early 90s. In 1999 Sally Fallon published a book called Nourishing Traditions which argued for rejecting modern industrial foods. A lot of the arguments you see today about seed oils originate from this book. These got amplified in 2014 by Nina Teicholz who published a book called The Big Fat Surprise which made it the topic de jure of alternative health influencers. Then it's been a steady build across social media for about a decade.
JohnTHaller 2y ago
MAGA is against mRNA, seed oils, and all sorts of random stuff because a random higher up in their movement said so. This is generally without evidence.

fkyoureadthedoc 2y ago

Seed oils are part of RFK's agenda, he doesn't like them. I'm not sure that position is informed by facts though. He recently did a publicity stunt with a restaurant that replaced their fry oil with beef tallow.

JohnTHaller 2y ago
Most of what RFK (and MAGA as a whole) does is without any sort of peer reviewed science behind it. They're against masks, mRNA vaccines, vaccines in general, seed oils, wind, solar, etc.

davidmurdoch 2y ago

I think the source is that years and years ago someone plotted seed oil consumption and heart disease on a graph, probably attempting to show a correlation. And now we've got claims of causation.

ceejayoz 2y ago
That'd be a good one to add to https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations.

aggie 2y ago

I've seen it discussed on Twitter for a while, mostly on the right. As best I can tell it is related to a general trend toward distrust of big agriculture, big pharma, big institutions in general as seed oils are painted as a product of that whereas animal fats are a "retvrn" type of diet (or from another POV, a Michael Pollan diet). Funny to see the political factions shifting around and the horseshoe connecting left and right on nutrition.

streptomycin 2y ago

There's always a new villain to explain why people are so fat, because people don't want to accept the obvious answer. Previous villain was corn syrup, you hear about that less these days. New villain is seed oils. Similar lack of evidence for either being worse than their "healthy" alternative (normal sugar or other fats). Check back in 5 years and there will be another villain.

seec 2y ago
It's hilarious how much nonsense people will say in order to pretend that the CiCo (Calories-in Calories-out) model does not work. When in fact anyone who has even remotely tried knows very well that it works perfectly but it's just difficult and time consuming to get proper measurements of in and out parts. But modern times have made this much easier and much more precise.

mmsimanga 2y ago

Much like you I too have just woken up from under my rock to find this out. On the bright side it seems we didn't miss anything so as you were.

CSMastermind 2y ago

It's been building for decades in alternative health circles. There's legitimate science about them dating back to the late 80s/early 90s. In 1999 Sally Fallon published a book called Nourishing Traditions which argued for rejecting modern industrial foods. A lot of the arguments you see today about seed oils originate from this book. These got amplified in 2014 by Nina Teicholz who published a book called The Big Fat Surprise which made it the topic de jure of alternative health influencers. Then it's been a steady build across social media for about a decade.

JohnTHaller 2y ago

MAGA is against mRNA, seed oils, and all sorts of random stuff because a random higher up in their movement said so. This is generally without evidence.