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Looking at their website, it has obvious socialism / communism design influences. I hope these activists fail to get a foothold in the industry. These are not t

Looking at their website, it has obvious socialism / communism design influences. I hope these activists fail to get a foothold in the industry. These are not the type of people I want to work with and it would be bad for the stock price.

frakt0x90 2y ago
Most people joining unions are concerned about horrible working conditions and lack of basic respect and rights. The stock price should not be put above basic decency.
- Vaslo 2y ago
  Source?
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    corollary: who is joining a union to pump their stock price? This is all opinionistic, but use a bit of logic here. Ask yourself what a union is and what the incentives are.
- short_sells_poo 2y ago
  It is truly amazing how violently certain people want to fight against their own rights and organizations whose purpose is to fight for those rights.
  - ThrowawayR2 2y ago
    Workers in industries where there's an oversupply of labor driving down wages want unions. Workers in industries where there's an undersupply of labor don't care because there's no benefit to them. What's amazing about that?
    - mullingitover 2y ago
      Unions in the past century were strongest when there was a chronic labor shortage. Somewhere around the 1970s the labor shortage ended, and that's also about the time that union power began a serious decline. Negotiating solo against a large organization with an available labor pool is the weakest possible position, even if the type of talent is in demand. I'd argue that people always want the power in compensation negotiations that's only obtainable by forming strong associations. It's just a matter of whether they can get it or not based on the political power of their counterparties. This type of conflict has been happening since the dawn of civilization.
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    There are some people who are a part of (or want to be a part of) companies and unions are venom to them. This narrative of Americans being future millionaires really clouds judgement on the reality that many can barely escape scape out of minimum wage labor. Very few millioaires (and no bilionaire) got where they were by starting out a minimum wage.
diggan 2y ago
> it has obvious socialism / communism design influences Which website are you looking at? Unless I'm mistaken, the website is https://uvw-cwa.org/ https://uvw-cwa.org/ and it isn't even red, have no hammers/sickles, and mostly talks about "stronger together", which fair enough, I guess could give some knee-jerk reaction about socialism if you don't believe in working together with others.
- charcircuit 2y ago
  https://cwa-union.org/news/releases/video-game-workers-launch-industry-wide-union-communications-workers-america https://cwa-union.org/news/releases/video-game-workers-launc... This is red. And look at the zine cover.
  - duskwuff 2y ago
    Do you also avoid YouTube, Coca-Cola, and Netflix because of their obvious socialist connections? :)
    - charcircuit 2y ago
      No, because I am evaluating the overall design language the organization uses. Red is just one element that this group of people uses, but other people also use red.
      - johnnyanmac 2y ago
        you've done a horrible job in that case, and even calling your analysis bikeshedding is overly praising this. Do more than judge a book by the color of its cover next time to communicattion such design language.
        charcircuit 2y ago
        I wasn't the one who first mentioned color, and I gave an example other than color. People attacking my statement by focusing on color are trying to paint me as ridiculous.
mullingitover 2y ago
You're going to be furious when you look at the terminology and symbolism of the United States: - it's a "Union," founded by "We the people" rather than being subjects subservient to an ordained ruler - It has revolutionary ideals at its core - There are fasces everywhere, an overt symbol of collective effort - Right out of the gate, the US socialized one of the largest industries: transporting mail across the nation. Founders wrote it into the Constitution to ensure that it was untouchable - To go along with that, the interstate highway system is a massive, communal project - The most politically untouchable service, something politicians practically place on an altar, is a massive wealth redistribution scheme: Social Security Beyond all this I didn't see a single thing on that site that has socialism design influences, which frankly makes it sort of un-American.
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devnullbrain 2y ago
The film industry does fine. But, well yes. In many countries outside NA, unions are affiliated with left-wing parties.
- charcircuit 2y ago
  I don't watch American films. Requiring everyone to be in a union results in a homogeneous where there is the same garbage and degeneracy being produced that is not for me.
  - devnullbrain 2y ago
    Your point might come across as disingenuous if you start by complaining about stock prices but immediately switch to cultural dogwhistle concerns.
sham1 2y ago
> Looking at their website, it has obvious socialism / communism design influences. Okay, and why is this exactly bad? After all, the workers behind games want to get better working environments and they use the workers' movements symbolism in representing this. Also, class solidarity. > These are not the type of people I want to work with And you don't have to. You can always go indie and not associate yourself with people who organise themselves for the sake of a better industry. No one's forcing you to have solidarity and no one is forced to have solidarity with you. > and it would be bad for the stock price. I'll be frank (and a tad polemical) but if an industry cannot maintain its value without exploiting its workers, it shouldn't exist. That's just the free market at work.

frakt0x90 2y ago

Most people joining unions are concerned about horrible working conditions and lack of basic respect and rights. The stock price should not be put above basic decency.

Vaslo 2y ago
Source?
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  corollary: who is joining a union to pump their stock price? This is all opinionistic, but use a bit of logic here. Ask yourself what a union is and what the incentives are.
short_sells_poo 2y ago
It is truly amazing how violently certain people want to fight against their own rights and organizations whose purpose is to fight for those rights.
- ThrowawayR2 2y ago
  Workers in industries where there's an oversupply of labor driving down wages want unions. Workers in industries where there's an undersupply of labor don't care because there's no benefit to them. What's amazing about that?
  - mullingitover 2y ago
    Unions in the past century were strongest when there was a chronic labor shortage. Somewhere around the 1970s the labor shortage ended, and that's also about the time that union power began a serious decline. Negotiating solo against a large organization with an available labor pool is the weakest possible position, even if the type of talent is in demand. I'd argue that people always want the power in compensation negotiations that's only obtainable by forming strong associations. It's just a matter of whether they can get it or not based on the political power of their counterparties. This type of conflict has been happening since the dawn of civilization.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  There are some people who are a part of (or want to be a part of) companies and unions are venom to them. This narrative of Americans being future millionaires really clouds judgement on the reality that many can barely escape scape out of minimum wage labor. Very few millioaires (and no bilionaire) got where they were by starting out a minimum wage.

diggan 2y ago

> it has obvious socialism / communism design influences Which website are you looking at? Unless I'm mistaken, the website is https://uvw-cwa.org/ https://uvw-cwa.org/ and it isn't even red, have no hammers/sickles, and mostly talks about "stronger together", which fair enough, I guess could give some knee-jerk reaction about socialism if you don't believe in working together with others.

charcircuit 2y ago
https://cwa-union.org/news/releases/video-game-workers-launch-industry-wide-union-communications-workers-america https://cwa-union.org/news/releases/video-game-workers-launc... This is red. And look at the zine cover.
- duskwuff 2y ago
  Do you also avoid YouTube, Coca-Cola, and Netflix because of their obvious socialist connections? :)
  - charcircuit 2y ago
    No, because I am evaluating the overall design language the organization uses. Red is just one element that this group of people uses, but other people also use red.
    - johnnyanmac 2y ago
      you've done a horrible job in that case, and even calling your analysis bikeshedding is overly praising this. Do more than judge a book by the color of its cover next time to communicattion such design language.
      - charcircuit 2y ago
        I wasn't the one who first mentioned color, and I gave an example other than color. People attacking my statement by focusing on color are trying to paint me as ridiculous.

mullingitover 2y ago

You're going to be furious when you look at the terminology and symbolism of the United States: - it's a "Union," founded by "We the people" rather than being subjects subservient to an ordained ruler - It has revolutionary ideals at its core - There are fasces everywhere, an overt symbol of collective effort - Right out of the gate, the US socialized one of the largest industries: transporting mail across the nation. Founders wrote it into the Constitution to ensure that it was untouchable - To go along with that, the interstate highway system is a massive, communal project - The most politically untouchable service, something politicians practically place on an altar, is a massive wealth redistribution scheme: Social Security Beyond all this I didn't see a single thing on that site that has socialism design influences, which frankly makes it sort of un-American.

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devnullbrain 2y ago

The film industry does fine. But, well yes. In many countries outside NA, unions are affiliated with left-wing parties.

charcircuit 2y ago
I don't watch American films. Requiring everyone to be in a union results in a homogeneous where there is the same garbage and degeneracy being produced that is not for me.
- devnullbrain 2y ago
  Your point might come across as disingenuous if you start by complaining about stock prices but immediately switch to cultural dogwhistle concerns.

sham1 2y ago

> Looking at their website, it has obvious socialism / communism design influences. Okay, and why is this exactly bad? After all, the workers behind games want to get better working environments and they use the workers' movements symbolism in representing this. Also, class solidarity. > These are not the type of people I want to work with And you don't have to. You can always go indie and not associate yourself with people who organise themselves for the sake of a better industry. No one's forcing you to have solidarity and no one is forced to have solidarity with you. > and it would be bad for the stock price. I'll be frank (and a tad polemical) but if an industry cannot maintain its value without exploiting its workers, it shouldn't exist. That's just the free market at work.