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in complete agreement, with tools like fd getting more visibility! we sponsored fd's development a while back and we occasionally sponsor terminal tool authors

in complete agreement, with tools like fd getting more visibility! we sponsored fd's development a while back and we occasionally sponsor terminal tool authors from time to time at Terminal Trove where we have more tools in the trove. (0) we're currently sponsoring zellij which I encourage you to check out and sponsor! (1) https://terminaltrove.com/ https://terminaltrove.com/ (0) https://github.com/zellij-org/zellij https://github.com/zellij-org/zellij (1)

kstrauser 2y ago
Hard agree about zellij. I used screen, then tmux, for years. Zellij feels "right" for me in a way those never quite did. It's brilliant.
- aaplok 2y ago
  What differences between Zellij and tmux do you see as game changers?
  - kstrauser 2y ago
    It's like so many other projects we're talking about here: it has sane defaults. If you start Zellij for the first time, it shows you menus to do all the things you might want. A big plus is that it supports mouse scrolling by default, and the scrolling works 100% of the time as far as I can tell. I don't know if it can do everything that tmux or screen can do. I bet it probably can't. But it does all the things I want such a thing to do, and without needing any configuration on my part.
    - aaplok 2y ago
      Interesting. When I tried Zellij I found that the menus were too much in my face, compared to tmux/screen more minimal design. I see how this is a good thing when you start using it but I wonder if it gets tiring in the long run, in a clippy sort of way. But yes it makes sense that this feature makes it superior to tmux for some users. A good case for having diversity in software.
      - kstrauser 2y ago
        I could see that. I use Emacs with all the toolbars etc turned off. I get it. I’m not a hardcore tmux user. I just like having persistent sessions on remote machines and bouncing between tabs, things like that. When I want to do something beyond that, with tmux I’d have to RTFM each time. In Zellij, the menu bar lets me discover it easily. Bottom line: you’re right. I’m glad they both exist!
wanderingmind 2y ago
Never knew about Terminal Trove.looks like an awesome place that collects a lot of useful terminal tools. This website must be a separate HN posting.
joshbaptiste 2y ago
Only default of Zellij I can't stand is ctrl-q exits the whole instance

kstrauser 2y ago

Hard agree about zellij. I used screen, then tmux, for years. Zellij feels "right" for me in a way those never quite did. It's brilliant.

aaplok 2y ago
What differences between Zellij and tmux do you see as game changers?
- kstrauser 2y ago
  It's like so many other projects we're talking about here: it has sane defaults. If you start Zellij for the first time, it shows you menus to do all the things you might want. A big plus is that it supports mouse scrolling by default, and the scrolling works 100% of the time as far as I can tell. I don't know if it can do everything that tmux or screen can do. I bet it probably can't. But it does all the things I want such a thing to do, and without needing any configuration on my part.
  - aaplok 2y ago
    Interesting. When I tried Zellij I found that the menus were too much in my face, compared to tmux/screen more minimal design. I see how this is a good thing when you start using it but I wonder if it gets tiring in the long run, in a clippy sort of way. But yes it makes sense that this feature makes it superior to tmux for some users. A good case for having diversity in software.
    - kstrauser 2y ago
      I could see that. I use Emacs with all the toolbars etc turned off. I get it. I’m not a hardcore tmux user. I just like having persistent sessions on remote machines and bouncing between tabs, things like that. When I want to do something beyond that, with tmux I’d have to RTFM each time. In Zellij, the menu bar lets me discover it easily. Bottom line: you’re right. I’m glad they both exist!

wanderingmind 2y ago

Never knew about Terminal Trove.looks like an awesome place that collects a lot of useful terminal tools. This website must be a separate HN posting.

joshbaptiste 2y ago

Only default of Zellij I can't stand is ctrl-q exits the whole instance