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Visual Studio 2012 and .NET 4.5 are ready to go

56 points by jaynate 14y ago

thedeuce 14y ago
le don't care
Permit 14y ago
>From Visual Studio Blog it is known that the source code for Visual Studio 2012, formerly known as Visual Studio 11, consists of about 50 million lines of code. And despite this fact new release contains lots of new features and improvements. Wow, 50 million lines of code is completely earth shattering to a student like myself who has only dealt with line counts that were five digits long.
- thedeuce 14y ago
  I wonder what tools they use to develop visual studio; I can't imagine it could handle projects that size unless they are split out and externally built
- tedunangst 14y ago
  What a strange thing for the article to say. Is the implication that once you hit 50 million lines it becomes impossible to add new features?
  - galactus 14y ago
    I don't know, keeping such a huge code base simple enough to be able to add new features without breaking stuff sounds indeed amazing to me.
  - deleted 14y ago
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- suresk 14y ago
  Interestingly, I believe this is roughly the same size (in LOC) as Eclipse (counting the entire release train), give or take a few million. I don't have any specific knowledge about VS, but most giant software projects (including Eclipse) with LOC counts in the millions don't exist as singular projects - rather, they are made up of lots of smaller, loosely coupled projects with generally well-defined integration points. It certainly isn't easy - defining those APIs in a way that their surface area is the correct size is insanely difficult - but it does make managing projects of this size at least manageable.
ctz 14y ago
I do wonder if they went with the awful upper-case main menu in the end.
- illuminate 14y ago
  They did, but you can change the option. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/zainnab/archive/2012/06/14/turn-off-the-uppercase-menu-in-visual-studio-2012.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/zainnab/archive/2012/06/14/turn-off-...
- contextfree 14y ago
  Yes they did. I think it seems like an awfully minor thing to complain about, then again that's easy for me to say as since 2010 I've always used an extension to hide the menu bar :)
- ximeng 14y ago
  illuminate - you are autodead for no obvious reason.
TwoBit 14y ago
With VS2010 they forced users to use a tabbed doc view, so I still use VS2008.
- alexro 14y ago
  Did you try Productivity Power Tools with Tab Well UI?
contextfree 14y ago
The main improvement to me is it just feels much faster and more responsive and solid (at least on my setup). VS2008 and 2010 were pretty bad in this regard.

56 points by jaynate 14y ago

le don't care

>From Visual Studio Blog it is known that the source code for Visual Studio 2012, formerly known as Visual Studio 11, consists of about 50 million lines of code. And despite this fact new release contains lots of new features and improvements. Wow, 50 million lines of code is completely earth shattering to a student like myself who has only dealt with line counts that were five digits long.

thedeuce 14y ago
I wonder what tools they use to develop visual studio; I can't imagine it could handle projects that size unless they are split out and externally built
tedunangst 14y ago
What a strange thing for the article to say. Is the implication that once you hit 50 million lines it becomes impossible to add new features?
- galactus 14y ago
  I don't know, keeping such a huge code base simple enough to be able to add new features without breaking stuff sounds indeed amazing to me.
- deleted 14y ago
  [deleted]
suresk 14y ago
Interestingly, I believe this is roughly the same size (in LOC) as Eclipse (counting the entire release train), give or take a few million. I don't have any specific knowledge about VS, but most giant software projects (including Eclipse) with LOC counts in the millions don't exist as singular projects - rather, they are made up of lots of smaller, loosely coupled projects with generally well-defined integration points. It certainly isn't easy - defining those APIs in a way that their surface area is the correct size is insanely difficult - but it does make managing projects of this size at least manageable.

ctz 14y ago

I do wonder if they went with the awful upper-case main menu in the end.

illuminate 14y ago
They did, but you can change the option. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/zainnab/archive/2012/06/14/turn-off-the-uppercase-menu-in-visual-studio-2012.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/zainnab/archive/2012/06/14/turn-off-...
contextfree 14y ago
Yes they did. I think it seems like an awfully minor thing to complain about, then again that's easy for me to say as since 2010 I've always used an extension to hide the menu bar :)
ximeng 14y ago
illuminate - you are autodead for no obvious reason.

TwoBit 14y ago

With VS2010 they forced users to use a tabbed doc view, so I still use VS2008.

alexro 14y ago
Did you try Productivity Power Tools with Tab Well UI?

contextfree 14y ago

The main improvement to me is it just feels much faster and more responsive and solid (at least on my setup). VS2008 and 2010 were pretty bad in this regard.