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A remake of the very first website

24 points by p4bl0 14y ago

ramchip 14y ago
It's kind of impressive that any modern browser will still accept and render these pages perfectly fine...
- tlammens 14y ago
  If you look at the source, you shouldn't be surprised. It uses a very small subset of what is present now in html. It also made me discover that view source was removed from Safari 6 (Without enabling the Developer menu) :(
  - raghav305 14y ago
    it's not the oldest website... symbolics.com is this i guess maybe be a replication of the first page published .. or something like that. could anyone please confirm?
    - raldi 14y ago
      You're confusing "website" and "domain name".
    - p4bl0 14y ago
      I wasn't there at this time (I'm only 23) but I believe symbolics.com was the first dot-com domain name, not the first website.
      - ams6110 14y ago
        Yep, DNS, along with email, usenet, ftp, gopher, and many other internet services were long-established before "the web" was created.
    - InclinedPlane 14y ago
      Do you not understand where the web was invented? It wasn't at symbolics.com.
      - raghav305 14y ago
        true .. I think symbolics.com is the oldest (still existing) site / registered domain name what was the domain name of this (whatever is on the post) site ? when was it registered? anyone??
        EwanToo 14y ago
        It's the oldest .com domain, not the oldest domain name
  - namzo 14y ago
    I was surprised the source started with a <header> tag. I thought the header tag was introduced in HTML5. http://www.w3schools.com/html5/tag_header.asp http://www.w3schools.com/html5/tag_header.asp
    - stan_rogers 14y ago
      Note that the HEADER tag here was replaced by HEAD in subsequent HTML versions. The current HEADER is a completely different beast, falling inside the BODY. The neat thing is that, since the BODY exists and there is no HTML node, current browsers are able to interpret this HEADER as if it were HEAD.
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nekojima 14y ago
I would probably have read this page for the first time in January/February 1993 when I was writing my first html page. Too bad there are so many broken links now.
bstx 14y ago
Has someone ever tried to compile/port the first web browser [1] on a modern OS X machine? [1] http://www.w3.org/History/1991-WWW-NeXT/Implementation/ http://www.w3.org/History/1991-WWW-NeXT/Implementation/
- gue5t 14y ago
  No, but I have gotten Erwise (<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Erwise> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Erwise>) running (with some patches and some bugs) on a modern 64-bit machine running Linux.
- chrisdevereux 14y ago
  Heh. Nice idea. It uses the old NextStep AppKit classes (rather than OpenStep, which Cocoa descends from) so you'd have to reimplement them, possibly as wappers around the modern AppKit api. It might also depend on some older features of the objective-c runtime, which would need to be worked around. Could be a nice 'just for fun' sort of project though...
some_other 14y ago
http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/WWW/People.html http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/WWW/P... The work at CERN is differentiated when it is performed by westerners or by people from the eastern side: "The cost [...] has been evaluated, taking into account realistic labor prices in different countries. The total cost is X (with a western equivalent value of Y)" [where Y>X] source: LHCb calorimeters : Technical Design Report ISBN: 9290831693 http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/494264 http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/494264
Sniffnoy 14y ago
Note the use of the NEXTID tag, which was already listed as "historical reasons only" in HTML 2.
keithpeter 14y ago
http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/WWW/Helping.html http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/WWW/H... Still not a bad list.
dredmorbius 14y ago
Lots and lots of observations. Just a few: The list of who's involved is sorted alphabetically by last name. TBL is third on this list. Humility. http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/WWW/People.html http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/WWW/P... "Resource discovery" is identified as a problem. And a possible solution is proposed: By the way, it would be easy in principle for a third party to run over these trees and make indexes of what they find. Its just that noone has done it as far as I know because there isn't yet an indexer which runs over the web directly. Now, if there was only some money in that ... In the long term, when there is a really large mass of data out there, with deep interconnections, then there is some really exciting work to be done on automatic algorithms to make multi-level searches. TBL's first hypertext work was in 1980. Good ideas take time to come to fruition (there was also much parallel work on similar concepts). http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/WWW/FAQ/KeepingTrack.html http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/WWW/F...

24 points by p4bl0 14y ago

ramchip 14y ago

It's kind of impressive that any modern browser will still accept and render these pages perfectly fine...

tlammens 14y ago
If you look at the source, you shouldn't be surprised. It uses a very small subset of what is present now in html. It also made me discover that view source was removed from Safari 6 (Without enabling the Developer menu) :(
- raghav305 14y ago
  it's not the oldest website... symbolics.com is this i guess maybe be a replication of the first page published .. or something like that. could anyone please confirm?
  - raldi 14y ago
    You're confusing "website" and "domain name".
  - p4bl0 14y ago
    I wasn't there at this time (I'm only 23) but I believe symbolics.com was the first dot-com domain name, not the first website.
    - ams6110 14y ago
      Yep, DNS, along with email, usenet, ftp, gopher, and many other internet services were long-established before "the web" was created.
  - InclinedPlane 14y ago
    Do you not understand where the web was invented? It wasn't at symbolics.com.
    - raghav305 14y ago
      true .. I think symbolics.com is the oldest (still existing) site / registered domain name what was the domain name of this (whatever is on the post) site ? when was it registered? anyone??
      - EwanToo 14y ago
        It's the oldest .com domain, not the oldest domain name
- namzo 14y ago
  I was surprised the source started with a <header> tag. I thought the header tag was introduced in HTML5. http://www.w3schools.com/html5/tag_header.asp http://www.w3schools.com/html5/tag_header.asp
  - stan_rogers 14y ago
    Note that the HEADER tag here was replaced by HEAD in subsequent HTML versions. The current HEADER is a completely different beast, falling inside the BODY. The neat thing is that, since the BODY exists and there is no HTML node, current browsers are able to interpret this HEADER as if it were HEAD.

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nekojima 14y ago

I would probably have read this page for the first time in January/February 1993 when I was writing my first html page. Too bad there are so many broken links now.

bstx 14y ago

Has someone ever tried to compile/port the first web browser [1] on a modern OS X machine? [1] http://www.w3.org/History/1991-WWW-NeXT/Implementation/ http://www.w3.org/History/1991-WWW-NeXT/Implementation/

gue5t 14y ago
No, but I have gotten Erwise (<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Erwise> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Erwise>) running (with some patches and some bugs) on a modern 64-bit machine running Linux.
chrisdevereux 14y ago
Heh. Nice idea. It uses the old NextStep AppKit classes (rather than OpenStep, which Cocoa descends from) so you'd have to reimplement them, possibly as wappers around the modern AppKit api. It might also depend on some older features of the objective-c runtime, which would need to be worked around. Could be a nice 'just for fun' sort of project though...

some_other 14y ago

http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/WWW/People.html http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/WWW/P... The work at CERN is differentiated when it is performed by westerners or by people from the eastern side: "The cost [...] has been evaluated, taking into account realistic labor prices in different countries. The total cost is X (with a western equivalent value of Y)" [where Y>X] source: LHCb calorimeters : Technical Design Report ISBN: 9290831693 http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/494264 http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/494264

Sniffnoy 14y ago

Note the use of the NEXTID tag, which was already listed as "historical reasons only" in HTML 2.

keithpeter 14y ago

http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/WWW/Helping.html http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/WWW/H... Still not a bad list.

dredmorbius 14y ago

Lots and lots of observations. Just a few: The list of who's involved is sorted alphabetically by last name. TBL is third on this list. Humility. http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/WWW/People.html http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/WWW/P... "Resource discovery" is identified as a problem. And a possible solution is proposed: By the way, it would be easy in principle for a third party to run over these trees and make indexes of what they find. Its just that noone has done it as far as I know because there isn't yet an indexer which runs over the web directly. Now, if there was only some money in that ... In the long term, when there is a really large mass of data out there, with deep interconnections, then there is some really exciting work to be done on automatic algorithms to make multi-level searches. TBL's first hypertext work was in 1980. Good ideas take time to come to fruition (there was also much parallel work on similar concepts). http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/WWW/FAQ/KeepingTrack.html http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/WWW/F...