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Wrong. Since when were Republicans anti-war and anti-free trade? Those are big issues for working class that helped him win the swing states.

otikik 2y ago
> Since when were Republicans anti-war Trump has been anti-war (with Putin, specifically) since his first term. The Democratic party has never been anti-free trade either. Nevertheless, what helped him win working class votes was discontent with the economy situation. Which is now going to get even worse. For the working class of course.
- blindriver 2y ago
  >Trump has been anti-war (with Putin, specifically) since his first term. Yes, that's my point. > The Democratic party has never been anti-free trade either. They absolutely were anti-free trade and protectionist during the 1970s and 1980s. For example, they were the ones who were leading efforts against Japanese cars in the US that decimated Detroit during that time. Clinton and more importantly Obama changed this shift, including the TPP that would have opened up more free trade with Pacific nations. Trump ripped that up as soon as he came into office because that was very unpopular with the working class. > Nevertheless, what helped him win working class votes was discontent with the economy situation According to Biden, the US economy was the best its every been when he left office and the lowest unemployment and the stock market was at its highest. What economic situation are you talking about?
  - otikik 2y ago
    > during the 1970s and 1980s If we go back long enough, the democratic party opposed Abraham Lincoln. We have to put a line somewhere. > According to Biden To be clear, I'm not a US citizen. If you think telling me that Biden lied is a shocker, you are wrong. I do think that in general he lies less than Trump, though. But to answer the spirit of your not-in-very-good-faith question: GDP means nothing if all the wealth is concentrated in 10 individuals. Unemployment means nothing if most folks need to take 3 jobs and food stamps just to make ends meet.
    - blindriver 2y ago
      I'm putting a line at the 1970s and 1980s and then explained how things changed immediately after that and that's when they started abandoning the working class. > If you think telling me that Biden lied is a shocker, you are wrong. I'm not saying you should be shocked. I'm giving strong evidence that your assertion that the economy was bad is wrong. What is your proof that the economy was bad?
      - otikik 2y ago
        Why repeat what I already said?
      - ethbr1 2y ago
        The Republican party also finally turned away from racism as an explicit election strategy circa 2010, which probably helped it with non-white working class voters. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy Unfortunately, immigrants and other things were substituted in as enemies to hate.

otikik 2y ago

> Since when were Republicans anti-war Trump has been anti-war (with Putin, specifically) since his first term. The Democratic party has never been anti-free trade either. Nevertheless, what helped him win working class votes was discontent with the economy situation. Which is now going to get even worse. For the working class of course.

blindriver 2y ago
>Trump has been anti-war (with Putin, specifically) since his first term. Yes, that's my point. > The Democratic party has never been anti-free trade either. They absolutely were anti-free trade and protectionist during the 1970s and 1980s. For example, they were the ones who were leading efforts against Japanese cars in the US that decimated Detroit during that time. Clinton and more importantly Obama changed this shift, including the TPP that would have opened up more free trade with Pacific nations. Trump ripped that up as soon as he came into office because that was very unpopular with the working class. > Nevertheless, what helped him win working class votes was discontent with the economy situation According to Biden, the US economy was the best its every been when he left office and the lowest unemployment and the stock market was at its highest. What economic situation are you talking about?
- otikik 2y ago
  > during the 1970s and 1980s If we go back long enough, the democratic party opposed Abraham Lincoln. We have to put a line somewhere. > According to Biden To be clear, I'm not a US citizen. If you think telling me that Biden lied is a shocker, you are wrong. I do think that in general he lies less than Trump, though. But to answer the spirit of your not-in-very-good-faith question: GDP means nothing if all the wealth is concentrated in 10 individuals. Unemployment means nothing if most folks need to take 3 jobs and food stamps just to make ends meet.
  - blindriver 2y ago
    I'm putting a line at the 1970s and 1980s and then explained how things changed immediately after that and that's when they started abandoning the working class. > If you think telling me that Biden lied is a shocker, you are wrong. I'm not saying you should be shocked. I'm giving strong evidence that your assertion that the economy was bad is wrong. What is your proof that the economy was bad?
    - otikik 2y ago
      Why repeat what I already said?
    - ethbr1 2y ago
      The Republican party also finally turned away from racism as an explicit election strategy circa 2010, which probably helped it with non-white working class voters. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy Unfortunately, immigrants and other things were substituted in as enemies to hate.