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If that's true, why did the astronauts confirm Musk's version of the story in an interview? Genuinely asking ...

by queuebert 2y ago

throwway120385 2y ago
What interview? Can you link it?
- mjrpes 2y ago
  Probably cherry picking their c-span interview on March 4: > Asked about the claims of political motivations for their extended stay, Wilmore said that Musk and Trump may have information “that we are not privy to.” But then he says: > But, he said, “from my standpoint, politics is not playing into this at all. From our standpoint, I think that they would agree, we came up prepared to stay long, even though we plan to stay short.” The fact check article is pretty comprehensive: https://www.factcheck.org/2025/03/the-facts-behind-the-delayed-return-of-u-s-astronauts/ https://www.factcheck.org/2025/03/the-facts-behind-the-delay...
- queuebert 2y ago
  https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1897470032612851893 https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1897470032612851893 (Note: I don't know anything about the X account. It was just the first result I found.) Edit: Also it sucks that I can't ask a genuine question on this website without getting downvoted to oblivion. Whatever the answer, it would be nice to get it without being judged.
  - beej71 2y ago
    The astronauts in that clip say they have no information on who said what to whom, so it takes the wind out of the sails of the statement that everything Musk says is factual.
  - acdha 2y ago
    > Also it sucks that I can't ask a genuine question on this website without getting downvoted to oblivion You asked a question in a confrontational manner, and which had the same misrepresentation as various political operatives have been using. I think you got caught up in looking like you knew the answer but were hoping that readers did not, which is common enough that many people try to discourage it here.
    - queuebert 2y ago
      You (and others apparently) applied an incorrect emotion to my unemotional comment. Typical text only communication. The whole point of the "genuinely asking" part was to show I wasn't trying to "gotcha" anyone. I have barely followed the issue but had heard the astronauts confirmed Musk's side. How else was I supposed to ask about that? What magical wording could I use so that all of you don't try to put me in a belief box?
theurerjohn3 2y ago
no idea. However the above comment is easily verifiable. Here is a link saying that the return would be around February 2025 [1]. There seems no reason to believe either trump or Elon forced some sort of rush, or Biden and his administration ignored or caused some sort of slowdown. It looks like a schedule was planned and followed. 1. https://nitter.net/NASA/status/1827393397939634503 https://nitter.net/NASA/status/1827393397939634503
majormajor 2y ago
They basically said "we don't know but I'm not gonna call anyone a liar" and it got spun for obvious political reasons. https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/03/butch-and-suni-send-mixed-messages-on-whether-politics-delayed-their-return/ https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/03/butch-and-suni-send-mi... > Wilmore: I can tell you at the outset, all of us have the utmost respect for Mr. Musk, and obviously, respect and admiration for our president of the United States, Donald Trump. We appreciate them. We appreciate all that they do for us, for human space flight, for our nation. The words they said, politics, I mean, that's part of life. We understand that. And there's an important reason why we have a political system, a political system that we do have, and we're behind it 100 percent. We know what we've lived up here, the ins and outs, and the specifics that they may not be privy to. And I'm sure that they have some issues that they are dealing with, information that they have, that we are not privy to. So when I think about your question, that's part of life, we are on board with it. > Wilmore: From my standpoint, politics is not playing into this at all. From our standpoint, I think that they would agree, we came up prepared to stay long, even though we plan to stay short. That's what we do in human spaceflight. > Wilmore: I can only say that Mr. Musk, what he says, is absolutely factual. We have no information on that, though, whatsoever; what was offered, what was not offered; who it was offered to, how that process went. That's information that we simply don't have. So I believe him. I don't know all those details, and I don't think any of us really can give you the answer that maybe that you would be hoping for. To be honest "what he says, is absolutely factual. We have no information on that, though, whatsoever; what was offered, what was not offered; who it was offered to, how that process went" should register quite highly on anyone's political bullshit meter because "absolutely factual" is a statement that makes a claim that they then say they don't have any facts about. Anyone who reports those quotes as "comfirming Musk's version" should lose a lot of trust.
- GolfPopper 2y ago
  And keep in mind that the people saying these things - while doubtless busy for the last three months - have not been locked in isolation. Even the barest hint of recent news would make it clear to them that negative comments about Mr. Trump & Mr. Musk could destroy their own careers, and threaten the programs they have worked on and the lives and careers of their co-workers.

If that's true, why did the astronauts confirm Musk's version of the story in an interview? Genuinely asking ...

throwway120385 2y ago

What interview? Can you link it?

mjrpes 2y ago
Probably cherry picking their c-span interview on March 4: > Asked about the claims of political motivations for their extended stay, Wilmore said that Musk and Trump may have information “that we are not privy to.” But then he says: > But, he said, “from my standpoint, politics is not playing into this at all. From our standpoint, I think that they would agree, we came up prepared to stay long, even though we plan to stay short.” The fact check article is pretty comprehensive: https://www.factcheck.org/2025/03/the-facts-behind-the-delayed-return-of-u-s-astronauts/ https://www.factcheck.org/2025/03/the-facts-behind-the-delay...
queuebert 2y ago
https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1897470032612851893 https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1897470032612851893 (Note: I don't know anything about the X account. It was just the first result I found.) Edit: Also it sucks that I can't ask a genuine question on this website without getting downvoted to oblivion. Whatever the answer, it would be nice to get it without being judged.
- beej71 2y ago
  The astronauts in that clip say they have no information on who said what to whom, so it takes the wind out of the sails of the statement that everything Musk says is factual.
- acdha 2y ago
  > Also it sucks that I can't ask a genuine question on this website without getting downvoted to oblivion You asked a question in a confrontational manner, and which had the same misrepresentation as various political operatives have been using. I think you got caught up in looking like you knew the answer but were hoping that readers did not, which is common enough that many people try to discourage it here.
  - queuebert 2y ago
    You (and others apparently) applied an incorrect emotion to my unemotional comment. Typical text only communication. The whole point of the "genuinely asking" part was to show I wasn't trying to "gotcha" anyone. I have barely followed the issue but had heard the astronauts confirmed Musk's side. How else was I supposed to ask about that? What magical wording could I use so that all of you don't try to put me in a belief box?

theurerjohn3 2y ago

no idea. However the above comment is easily verifiable. Here is a link saying that the return would be around February 2025 [1]. There seems no reason to believe either trump or Elon forced some sort of rush, or Biden and his administration ignored or caused some sort of slowdown. It looks like a schedule was planned and followed. 1. https://nitter.net/NASA/status/1827393397939634503 https://nitter.net/NASA/status/1827393397939634503

majormajor 2y ago

They basically said "we don't know but I'm not gonna call anyone a liar" and it got spun for obvious political reasons. https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/03/butch-and-suni-send-mixed-messages-on-whether-politics-delayed-their-return/ https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/03/butch-and-suni-send-mi... > Wilmore: I can tell you at the outset, all of us have the utmost respect for Mr. Musk, and obviously, respect and admiration for our president of the United States, Donald Trump. We appreciate them. We appreciate all that they do for us, for human space flight, for our nation. The words they said, politics, I mean, that's part of life. We understand that. And there's an important reason why we have a political system, a political system that we do have, and we're behind it 100 percent. We know what we've lived up here, the ins and outs, and the specifics that they may not be privy to. And I'm sure that they have some issues that they are dealing with, information that they have, that we are not privy to. So when I think about your question, that's part of life, we are on board with it. > Wilmore: From my standpoint, politics is not playing into this at all. From our standpoint, I think that they would agree, we came up prepared to stay long, even though we plan to stay short. That's what we do in human spaceflight. > Wilmore: I can only say that Mr. Musk, what he says, is absolutely factual. We have no information on that, though, whatsoever; what was offered, what was not offered; who it was offered to, how that process went. That's information that we simply don't have. So I believe him. I don't know all those details, and I don't think any of us really can give you the answer that maybe that you would be hoping for. To be honest "what he says, is absolutely factual. We have no information on that, though, whatsoever; what was offered, what was not offered; who it was offered to, how that process went" should register quite highly on anyone's political bullshit meter because "absolutely factual" is a statement that makes a claim that they then say they don't have any facts about. Anyone who reports those quotes as "comfirming Musk's version" should lose a lot of trust.

GolfPopper 2y ago
And keep in mind that the people saying these things - while doubtless busy for the last three months - have not been locked in isolation. Even the barest hint of recent news would make it clear to them that negative comments about Mr. Trump & Mr. Musk could destroy their own careers, and threaten the programs they have worked on and the lives and careers of their co-workers.