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At least Tesla is competitive. European carmakers? The core of German industry? Stellantis? Anyone? Same for the Koreans and Japanese. Nothing. I get the en
by shadowtree 2y ago
At least Tesla is competitive.
European carmakers? The core of German industry? Stellantis? Anyone?
Same for the Koreans and Japanese. Nothing.
I get the en vogue Tesla hate, Wrestling keyfabe is fun. China going after the "industry of industries" (Drucker, 1946) is quite something though.
- iammjm 2y agohating fascists and bullies never went out of style and I hope it never will
- shadowtree 2y agoI have Jewish friends here in the US that refuse to ever buy any German car. Volkswagen was founded by the Deutsche Arbeitsfront in 1937, the organized labor organization of the NSDAP. Literal Nazis. Don't google any other car makers.
- tim333 2y agoThat happened a while ago though. I figure focus on people doing bad stuff in the present. All countries did bad stuff in the past if you go back far enough.
- FirmwareBurner 2y agoNothing?! Koreans are ahead of the Europeans and maybe Japanese too in the EV game.
- loeg 2y agoYeah, the Kia/Hyundai EVs are pretty great.
- floxy 2y agoDo you think that the Hyundai/Kia engineers know the cause of the ICCU failures and are just hoping to not have to replace every one? Or is it still an unknown root cause to the issue?
- loeg 2y agoI don't have any special knowledge here. From brief googling, my impression is the incidence rate is pretty low.
- epolanski 2y agoWhen you say that stuff, what do you mean? Ahead in what/where? The VW id5 is quite comparable to the model Y e.g. And I would still bet on VW in the future than Tesla.
- FirmwareBurner 2y agoI'm talking about Koreans vs Europeans and you're holding me on the hook for VW vs Tesla. Has reading comprehensions gone that bad?
- epolanski 2y agoYou tell me, since you can't infer the rest of the discussion.
- rapsey 2y agoI don't know why you are getting down voted. The koreans are obviously ahead of the japanese and europeans in the EV game. Hyundai has gone through more generations of EV cars than any of them and their Kona/Ioniq series are very high quality.
- croes 2y agoEuropean carmakers get shamed when they delivered Tesla quality. They are held to higher standards and expectations.
- scarface_74 2y agoTesla sales are falling across Europe. https://www.npr.org/2025/02/27/nx-s1-5311609/tesla-sales-europe https://www.npr.org/2025/02/27/nx-s1-5311609/tesla-sales-eur... Teslas also have been scoring low in reliability for years. https://insideevs.com/news/731559/tesla-least-reliable-used-car-brands/ https://insideevs.com/news/731559/tesla-least-reliable-used-... As far as Korea, the Hyundai Ioniq I had for six months (month to month rental by SixT) was just a better driving experience than Tesla. We rented a Tesla a few times when we were out of town. Of course the Tesla infotainment center sucks next to CarPlay/Android Auto.
- pjc50 2y agoIt seems that internal politics in the legacy companies is really against EVs. My own conspiracy theory is this is because of the internal prestige of the engine teams. Toyota are still stuck on hydrogen delusions, although they produce awesome hybrids that are widely used as taxis. Koreans are doing great though: Hyundai Ioniqs are now EV-only.
- romanovcode 2y agoWe will see by the end of 2025, more so by 2026 if you are right, so far there is 21% year-over-year growth so far in EU EV manufactured car sales while US (which is basically one company - Tesla) is in rapid decline.
- joakleaf 2y agoI agree with this. Most European car manufacturers produce EVs now, and a lot of them are looking quite competitive compared to Tesla. While Tesla sold more EVs than any other brand in Europe 2024, BMW and Volkswagen both sold more EVs in Germany than Tesla. And Mercedes sold about the same number of units as Tesla in 2024 in Germany. Porsche's Taycan looks very competitive compared to Tesla's fastest offerings -- And tesla still doesn't have "sports car". Non-german car manufactures such as Skoda, Renault, Volvo, and Jaguar (if those last two are still "European") also sell a lot of interesting EVs. Admittedly, I haven't seen many Stelantis branded EVs except for Fiat 500e.
- floxy 2y agoUS EV sales are up 28% so far in 2025. Will be interesting to see the upcoming quarterly results at the end of March, and for the rest of the year as well. https://arstechnica.com/cars/2025/03/despite-everything-us-ev-sales-are-up-28-this-year/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2025/03/despite-everything-us-e...
- HarHarVeryFunny 2y agoVW has a $20,000 EV coming soon, but I guess it remains to be seen what tariffs may be applied to it. Tariffs can hobble other manufacturer's US sales, but for Tesla to compete overseas it needs to do so on price as well as attempt to fix the Tesla brand damage that is ongoing.
- epolanski 2y agoStellantis made more money (also in terms of profits) than Tesla in both 2024 and 2023?
- lawn 2y agoVolkswagen, Kia, and Hyondai all produce electric cars that are way more competitive than Teslas.
- loeg 2y agoThe Koreans have some good EVs that are as competitive as Tesla is.