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Allowing bad actors to claim they have a female gender identity so they can get transferred to women's prisons is not "leaving trans people alone". There are cl

Allowing bad actors to claim they have a female gender identity so they can get transferred to women's prisons is not "leaving trans people alone". There are clearly people abusing these policies to bad ends and the refusal to grapple with the idea that not every person who claims they're trans is a pure and honest snowflake is going to do tons of damage to the cause of "leaving trans people alone".

pjc50 2y ago
Ah yes, the bad behavior of one person justifies mistreatment of an entire group.
- AlexandrB 2y ago
  Could you please engage with the issue instead of making emotional appeals. You're saying this isn't a problem at all? What about the rights of the women affected by the bad actor(s)? Do you have some proposed solution for identifying the "one person" doing bad behavior? The Democratic Party refused to grapple with these questions either and their electoral loss is going to do far more harm to trans rights than some reasonable policies (for example some gatekeeping of "self-ID") would have.
  - contagiousflow 2y ago
    What actual policies prevent bad behavior?
    - bobalob 2y ago
      In the case of prison policy, keeping prisoners strictly separated by sex, with no transfers of male prisoners into women's prisons allowed, under any circumstances. Prisons should of course have safeguarding policy for further separation of vulnerable inmates within the prison. Interestingly this is exactly what male prisoners with a transgender identity were requesting, according to https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/10/19/chase-strangios-victories-for-transgender-rights https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/10/19/chase-strangio...: > He teamed up with Lorena Borjas, the unofficial den mother to transgender Latinx women in New York City, to start the bail fund for transgender immigrants, and he joined a working group of lawyers who were drafting recommendations for President Obama's Department of Justice on the incarceration of trans people. "We asked people in prison what they needed, and they all said that they wanted a trans unit," Strangio said. But the lawyers in the working group, including Strangio, believed that L.G.B.T. units were stigmatizing, and only served to perpetuate the prison system. However they were ignored, and instead of this, a policy of transferring males to women's prisons was introduced.
      - contagiousflow 2y ago
        Do you think the status quo of American prisons is good for anyone? I agree that this issue could be handled better, but as a non-American I've been horrified by many more things in the American prison system than this.
        jl6 2y ago
        Having a vulnerable inmates unit sounds like a great first step towards fixing some of the other abuses you might be thinking of.
        bobalob 2y ago
        Placing female prisoners at risk of physical violence, sexual assault, rape and impregnation by male prisoners is an obvious wrong to undo, but I agree there are many other horrifying aspects of prison conditions that need to be addressed as well.

pjc50 2y ago

Ah yes, the bad behavior of one person justifies mistreatment of an entire group.

AlexandrB 2y ago
Could you please engage with the issue instead of making emotional appeals. You're saying this isn't a problem at all? What about the rights of the women affected by the bad actor(s)? Do you have some proposed solution for identifying the "one person" doing bad behavior? The Democratic Party refused to grapple with these questions either and their electoral loss is going to do far more harm to trans rights than some reasonable policies (for example some gatekeeping of "self-ID") would have.
- contagiousflow 2y ago
  What actual policies prevent bad behavior?
  - bobalob 2y ago
    In the case of prison policy, keeping prisoners strictly separated by sex, with no transfers of male prisoners into women's prisons allowed, under any circumstances. Prisons should of course have safeguarding policy for further separation of vulnerable inmates within the prison. Interestingly this is exactly what male prisoners with a transgender identity were requesting, according to https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/10/19/chase-strangios-victories-for-transgender-rights https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/10/19/chase-strangio...: > He teamed up with Lorena Borjas, the unofficial den mother to transgender Latinx women in New York City, to start the bail fund for transgender immigrants, and he joined a working group of lawyers who were drafting recommendations for President Obama's Department of Justice on the incarceration of trans people. "We asked people in prison what they needed, and they all said that they wanted a trans unit," Strangio said. But the lawyers in the working group, including Strangio, believed that L.G.B.T. units were stigmatizing, and only served to perpetuate the prison system. However they were ignored, and instead of this, a policy of transferring males to women's prisons was introduced.
    - contagiousflow 2y ago
      Do you think the status quo of American prisons is good for anyone? I agree that this issue could be handled better, but as a non-American I've been horrified by many more things in the American prison system than this.
      - jl6 2y ago
        Having a vulnerable inmates unit sounds like a great first step towards fixing some of the other abuses you might be thinking of.
      - bobalob 2y ago
        Placing female prisoners at risk of physical violence, sexual assault, rape and impregnation by male prisoners is an obvious wrong to undo, but I agree there are many other horrifying aspects of prison conditions that need to be addressed as well.