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"Switzerland by train and in the middle of the night being woken up by border guards with barking German shepherds asking for my passport" What is exactly wron

by ssijak 2y ago

"Switzerland by train and in the middle of the night being woken up by border guards with barking German shepherds asking for my passport" What is exactly wrong here? They checked your passport and went on their way, that is how it works.

ethbr1 2y ago
It was hilarious seeing the difference between the French and Swiss border guards on train rides. French: laughing and talking, checking everyone's passports Swiss: eyes scanning the car, papers please
blindriver 2y ago
Nothing wrong. The previous poster claimed that the US Border patrol was excessively scary but my point is this happens everywhere around the world.
- freehorse 2y ago
  The part OP is scared of and points to is some border guard revoking your visa, which probably implies you losing your job and having to leave the country you live in. This is scary because it is a very big, bad outcome to be totally in the authority of a random border guard to decide. Waking out by guards and dogs barking on a train is scary in its own right the moment it happens, but we are talking about totally different things whose only intersection is "border guards" and the emotional category of "scared".
  - blindriver 2y ago
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    - freehorse 2y ago
      I did not say it cannot be revoked or it does not happen anywhere else, I said it is scary for completely different reasons than waking up in a train to a border guard checking your passport. Moreover, both can in principle happen anywhere, but the extent and context of them actually happening also matters.
    - snapcaster 2y ago
      It's not nonsense, people are following all the rules and then having some thug with no ability or willingness to understand the situation revoke their visa. This can and will ruin lives I don't see how you're not seeing the problem here
      - blindriver 2y ago
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        TheOtherHobbes 2y ago
        Which other countries force visitors through full immigration processing even if they're only in transit?
        blindriver 2y ago
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        jimmydorry 2y ago
        Canada is at the top of my mind. You need to get a visa and go through the "full immigration processing" even if you are only transiting through and not leaving the airport.
        freehorse 2y ago
        It is you that actually has to answer on which rules were broken and which countries do the same. Tbf asking questions to be answered by non-examples is disingenuous. If your argument (2) is that others do it, then you should provide concrete examples similar to the original article. If your argument (1) is that they did not follow some rules, you should either provide specific rules that the author did not follow, or at very least plausible reasons for why they are lying in the article about following all the rules.
        blindriver 2y ago
        She tried to enter the country illegally and illegally apply for a work visa. 1) She co-founded a hemp drink company in California as a Canadian. "Jasmine Mooney, an actor who is also co-founder of the beverage brand Holy! Water, was detained on 3 March in San Diego, California." https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/18/canadian-actor-jasmine-mooney-detained-mexico-border https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/18/canadian-act... 2) She applied for a TN visa that was sponsored by her own company, which is illegal. "I was granted my trade Nafta work visa, which allows Canadian and Mexican citizens to work in the US in specific professional occupations, on my second attempt." https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det... 3) She self-sponsored her own TN visa through her company that she co-founded and this is illegal. Visa Sponsorship Required Contrary to popular belief, the TN visa classification does require an employer to “sponsor” an individual for TN visa work status. The TN visa classification, unlike e.g. the E-2 visa, does not permit self-sponsorship. https://www.bdzlaw.com/nafta-tn-blog/tn-visa-employer-obligations https://www.bdzlaw.com/nafta-tn-blog/tn-visa-employer-obliga... 4) She was trying to enter the US illegally with an illegal work visa and even though the first TN was granted, she was likely detained because of the illegal nature of her TN visa application and the multiple attempts she made. Everything ICE and CBP did was lawful.
- Mashimo 2y ago
  They detained her for 2 weeks, while the lights where always on. I think that is a bit more then aggressively asking for papers.
- wezdog1 2y ago
  Even if that were true it doesn't justify it.
dowager_dan99 2y ago
Why do you need guard dogs to check a passport? Is it the most effective system to do sweep-checks in the middle of the night? Why not check as you're boarding or de-training? What happens if something is wrong or not aligned? Is a stressful situation the best way to conduct routine processes for anybody? HOW shit goes down is really important. When systems reduce people to cogs in a machine they lose empathy and personal responsibility. This is why we end up with guards who know nothing, treat people like cattle, and are "just doing their job". It does not lead to good results.
- cutemonster 2y ago
  Drug drogs I suspect.

by ssijak 2y ago

ethbr1 2y ago

It was hilarious seeing the difference between the French and Swiss border guards on train rides. French: laughing and talking, checking everyone's passports Swiss: eyes scanning the car, papers please

blindriver 2y ago

Nothing wrong. The previous poster claimed that the US Border patrol was excessively scary but my point is this happens everywhere around the world.

freehorse 2y ago
The part OP is scared of and points to is some border guard revoking your visa, which probably implies you losing your job and having to leave the country you live in. This is scary because it is a very big, bad outcome to be totally in the authority of a random border guard to decide. Waking out by guards and dogs barking on a train is scary in its own right the moment it happens, but we are talking about totally different things whose only intersection is "border guards" and the emotional category of "scared".
- blindriver 2y ago
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  - freehorse 2y ago
    I did not say it cannot be revoked or it does not happen anywhere else, I said it is scary for completely different reasons than waking up in a train to a border guard checking your passport. Moreover, both can in principle happen anywhere, but the extent and context of them actually happening also matters.
  - snapcaster 2y ago
    It's not nonsense, people are following all the rules and then having some thug with no ability or willingness to understand the situation revoke their visa. This can and will ruin lives I don't see how you're not seeing the problem here
    - blindriver 2y ago
      [flagged]
      - TheOtherHobbes 2y ago
        Which other countries force visitors through full immigration processing even if they're only in transit?
        blindriver 2y ago
        [flagged]
        jimmydorry 2y ago
        Canada is at the top of my mind. You need to get a visa and go through the "full immigration processing" even if you are only transiting through and not leaving the airport.
      - freehorse 2y ago
        It is you that actually has to answer on which rules were broken and which countries do the same. Tbf asking questions to be answered by non-examples is disingenuous. If your argument (2) is that others do it, then you should provide concrete examples similar to the original article. If your argument (1) is that they did not follow some rules, you should either provide specific rules that the author did not follow, or at very least plausible reasons for why they are lying in the article about following all the rules.
        blindriver 2y ago
        She tried to enter the country illegally and illegally apply for a work visa. 1) She co-founded a hemp drink company in California as a Canadian. "Jasmine Mooney, an actor who is also co-founder of the beverage brand Holy! Water, was detained on 3 March in San Diego, California." https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/18/canadian-actor-jasmine-mooney-detained-mexico-border https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/18/canadian-act... 2) She applied for a TN visa that was sponsored by her own company, which is illegal. "I was granted my trade Nafta work visa, which allows Canadian and Mexican citizens to work in the US in specific professional occupations, on my second attempt." https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det... 3) She self-sponsored her own TN visa through her company that she co-founded and this is illegal. Visa Sponsorship Required Contrary to popular belief, the TN visa classification does require an employer to “sponsor” an individual for TN visa work status. The TN visa classification, unlike e.g. the E-2 visa, does not permit self-sponsorship. https://www.bdzlaw.com/nafta-tn-blog/tn-visa-employer-obligations https://www.bdzlaw.com/nafta-tn-blog/tn-visa-employer-obliga... 4) She was trying to enter the US illegally with an illegal work visa and even though the first TN was granted, she was likely detained because of the illegal nature of her TN visa application and the multiple attempts she made. Everything ICE and CBP did was lawful.
Mashimo 2y ago
They detained her for 2 weeks, while the lights where always on. I think that is a bit more then aggressively asking for papers.
wezdog1 2y ago
Even if that were true it doesn't justify it.

dowager_dan99 2y ago

Why do you need guard dogs to check a passport? Is it the most effective system to do sweep-checks in the middle of the night? Why not check as you're boarding or de-training? What happens if something is wrong or not aligned? Is a stressful situation the best way to conduct routine processes for anybody? HOW shit goes down is really important. When systems reduce people to cogs in a machine they lose empathy and personal responsibility. This is why we end up with guards who know nothing, treat people like cattle, and are "just doing their job". It does not lead to good results.

cutemonster 2y ago
Drug drogs I suspect.