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This whole situation -coupled with the outright bans or obstacles in giving visas to people from several countries- cannot but have unpredictable consequences.

This whole situation -coupled with the outright bans or obstacles in giving visas to people from several countries- cannot but have unpredictable consequences. For example, right now, I cannot imagine any big academic international conference keep taking place in the US. And if they do, they should get boycotted. US right now is neither accessible nor safe for foreign citizens. And I bet recruiting or holding to highly skilled labour force will start being a problem too.

jcranmer 2y ago
> For example, right now, I cannot imagine any big academic international conference keep taking place in the US. There is a language standards committee meeting that was going to take place in the US that is now not because too many attendees think the US is no longer a safe place to travel to. We're already seeing this damage take place.
- franktankbank 2y ago
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- fc417fc802 2y ago
  Really sad the sibling comment got flagged to death. I code in English! Everyone should code in English! No more C++, no more language standards committees, no more nonstandard languages!
  - freehorse 2y ago
    We should actually call it American, not English! The fact that several centuries ago some people in England spoke this language does not give them rights to call it with their place's name, when AMERICA is NOW so GREAT. I code in American, and AMERICAN is the greatest language of all! And plus we do not need any standards committee for that, just an executive order.
femiagbabiaka 2y ago
It’s not just foreign citizens: it’s anyone who doesn’t look white. If you’re a U.S. citizen maybe you’ll get the privilege of being let go in less than a week. https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/03/14/us-citizen-arrested-berwyn-ice-chicago-attorneys https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/03/14/us-citiz...
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firefax 2y ago
The venue I published in before dropping out of my PhD purposefully alternated between the US and international locations for these reasons. (Some folks would complain that Canada "didn't count", which would of course greatly offend the Canadians present.) One prominent professor was screamed at, nearly tazed, and had their car torn apart because the CBP thought they were homeless, which would be amusing if this senior researcher had not been obviously traumatized by the experience. I have heard terrible stories from Canadian academics for years through presidencies of "both sides", and I'm glad this story is getting the traction it deserves but we also need to be mindful we did not arrive at this moment overnight.
rayiner 2y ago
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LPisGood 2y ago
> For example, right now, I cannot imagine any big academic international conference keep taking place in the US. I’m not sure what area you work in, but there are still many in computer science and optimization.
- freehorse 2y ago
  Which were already planned. And still, right now increasingly more people cannot go or wont go to them. Let's see after this summer how things are gonna go.

jcranmer 2y ago

> For example, right now, I cannot imagine any big academic international conference keep taking place in the US. There is a language standards committee meeting that was going to take place in the US that is now not because too many attendees think the US is no longer a safe place to travel to. We're already seeing this damage take place.

franktankbank 2y ago
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fc417fc802 2y ago
Really sad the sibling comment got flagged to death. I code in English! Everyone should code in English! No more C++, no more language standards committees, no more nonstandard languages!
- freehorse 2y ago
  We should actually call it American, not English! The fact that several centuries ago some people in England spoke this language does not give them rights to call it with their place's name, when AMERICA is NOW so GREAT. I code in American, and AMERICAN is the greatest language of all! And plus we do not need any standards committee for that, just an executive order.

femiagbabiaka 2y ago

It’s not just foreign citizens: it’s anyone who doesn’t look white. If you’re a U.S. citizen maybe you’ll get the privilege of being let go in less than a week. https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/03/14/us-citizen-arrested-berwyn-ice-chicago-attorneys https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/03/14/us-citiz...

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firefax 2y ago

The venue I published in before dropping out of my PhD purposefully alternated between the US and international locations for these reasons. (Some folks would complain that Canada "didn't count", which would of course greatly offend the Canadians present.) One prominent professor was screamed at, nearly tazed, and had their car torn apart because the CBP thought they were homeless, which would be amusing if this senior researcher had not been obviously traumatized by the experience. I have heard terrible stories from Canadian academics for years through presidencies of "both sides", and I'm glad this story is getting the traction it deserves but we also need to be mindful we did not arrive at this moment overnight.

rayiner 2y ago

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LPisGood 2y ago

> For example, right now, I cannot imagine any big academic international conference keep taking place in the US. I’m not sure what area you work in, but there are still many in computer science and optimization.

freehorse 2y ago
Which were already planned. And still, right now increasingly more people cannot go or wont go to them. Let's see after this summer how things are gonna go.