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I hope that Tesla will change its top management asap. Imagine a situation where you have a new 800V infrastructure already applied to cybertruck and decide to

I hope that Tesla will change its top management asap. Imagine a situation where you have a new 800V infrastructure already applied to cybertruck and decide to update the Model Y with just “minor” adjustments. Which means that both M3 and MY will get 800V/48V when? 2/3 years minimum. It recalls me a Nokia moment. Meanwhile China is running.

MVissers 2y ago
I mean, we all know who the driver is to launch 'cybertrucks' and 'robotaxis' instead of more affordable variations. Also, not sure what the whole 800v hype is about. I rent EVs for roadtrips and Tesla's are basically the fastest charging ones with current architecture, haven't had a need for 800v since at the cell level the charging speed is already maxed out. Re: the Y, even though they won't sell because some hand gestures and behaviors, they did almost every complaint people have about the old model Y.
- croes 2y ago
  There are many people who complain about long charging times. And there exist countries outside Tesla‘s supercharger network.
- zelos 2y ago
  Looking at EVDatabase, it seems like the 800v cars charge quite a lot faster? The EV6 manages 205kW average compared to 124kW for the long range Model Y. From my experience, the EV6 hits those charging speeds very reliably.
  - dzhiurgis 2y ago
    Now look at available chargers… It’s clearly better, but far from key factor. Efficiency usually dictates overall trip duration.
- kgermino 2y ago
  Everything I've seen is that Hyundai/Kia's charge noticeably (though not massively) faster than Tesla's. I've never DCFC a Tesla to compare but my Ioniq is usually under 20 mins in practice
lesuorac 2y ago
> I hope that Tesla will change its top management asap. Change it to who? Their price to earnings is like 100x. The entire market cap is built by Elon's non-stop hyping of FSD / Robo-Taxi / etc. We gunna resurrect Billy Mays here to do the marketing? The entire executive office is just dumping their Tesla stock, they know the company has no value and if they get rid of Musk it's probably a nail in the coffin for the stock price.
- croes 2y ago
  So market cap is based on exaggerations and lies. Not a good long term strategy. Maybe that‘s the reason for Musk‘s turn into politics. Use his power as long as it exists
  - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
    >So market cap is based on exaggerations and lies. Market cap is defined by whatever stock buyers decide to justify their purchase. If people keep buying the stock to get it to the moon because of whatever hype, what else matters?
    - croes 2y ago
      it distorts the market to the detriment of honest manufacturers ... and we would probably have been spared Trump
      - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
        So the government should stop people buying certain stocks they want, based on some criteria?
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        daveguy 2y ago
        Congratulations. That may be the most ridiculous strawman non-sequiteur I have ever read on HN. Truly reddit worthy.
epolanski 2y ago
Most of the board colludes with the CEO. Nearly impossible.
huijzer 2y ago
According to Lars Moravy, the front gigacasting and steer-by-wire were not implemented for the new Model Y due to them having trouble switching the supply chain over [1]. I guess the 800V is for the same reason. Lars said it was much easier for the Cybertruck to change to the newer systems because they expected lower sales numbers. The Model Y on the other hand has to go into mass production straight away at 3 different factories, and they wanted to keep the production process the same at all three (he talks about this at 28:50). [1]: https://youtu.be/U-h_wzxevok https://youtu.be/U-h_wzxevok

MVissers 2y ago

I mean, we all know who the driver is to launch 'cybertrucks' and 'robotaxis' instead of more affordable variations. Also, not sure what the whole 800v hype is about. I rent EVs for roadtrips and Tesla's are basically the fastest charging ones with current architecture, haven't had a need for 800v since at the cell level the charging speed is already maxed out. Re: the Y, even though they won't sell because some hand gestures and behaviors, they did almost every complaint people have about the old model Y.

croes 2y ago
There are many people who complain about long charging times. And there exist countries outside Tesla‘s supercharger network.
zelos 2y ago
Looking at EVDatabase, it seems like the 800v cars charge quite a lot faster? The EV6 manages 205kW average compared to 124kW for the long range Model Y. From my experience, the EV6 hits those charging speeds very reliably.
- dzhiurgis 2y ago
  Now look at available chargers… It’s clearly better, but far from key factor. Efficiency usually dictates overall trip duration.
kgermino 2y ago
Everything I've seen is that Hyundai/Kia's charge noticeably (though not massively) faster than Tesla's. I've never DCFC a Tesla to compare but my Ioniq is usually under 20 mins in practice

lesuorac 2y ago

> I hope that Tesla will change its top management asap. Change it to who? Their price to earnings is like 100x. The entire market cap is built by Elon's non-stop hyping of FSD / Robo-Taxi / etc. We gunna resurrect Billy Mays here to do the marketing? The entire executive office is just dumping their Tesla stock, they know the company has no value and if they get rid of Musk it's probably a nail in the coffin for the stock price.

croes 2y ago
So market cap is based on exaggerations and lies. Not a good long term strategy. Maybe that‘s the reason for Musk‘s turn into politics. Use his power as long as it exists
- FirmwareBurner 2y ago
  >So market cap is based on exaggerations and lies. Market cap is defined by whatever stock buyers decide to justify their purchase. If people keep buying the stock to get it to the moon because of whatever hype, what else matters?
  - croes 2y ago
    it distorts the market to the detriment of honest manufacturers ... and we would probably have been spared Trump
    - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
      So the government should stop people buying certain stocks they want, based on some criteria?
      - deleted 2y ago
        [deleted]
      - daveguy 2y ago
        Congratulations. That may be the most ridiculous strawman non-sequiteur I have ever read on HN. Truly reddit worthy.

epolanski 2y ago

Most of the board colludes with the CEO. Nearly impossible.

huijzer 2y ago

According to Lars Moravy, the front gigacasting and steer-by-wire were not implemented for the new Model Y due to them having trouble switching the supply chain over [1]. I guess the 800V is for the same reason. Lars said it was much easier for the Cybertruck to change to the newer systems because they expected lower sales numbers. The Model Y on the other hand has to go into mass production straight away at 3 different factories, and they wanted to keep the production process the same at all three (he talks about this at 28:50). [1]: https://youtu.be/U-h_wzxevok https://youtu.be/U-h_wzxevok