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What about all the other things. For example the crew dragon was docked back in september waiting for return. The last administration could have called for retu

What about all the other things. For example the crew dragon was docked back in september waiting for return. The last administration could have called for return at any point before the inaguration to claim glory, but didn't because they aren't hacks.

bheadmaster 2y ago
What do you mean? The fact that they didn't return the astronauts implies the last administration's integrity?
- walls 2y ago
  Yes, it shows they weren't manipulating NASA for political points.
  - bheadmaster 2y ago
    That does not make sense. Did they care more about "not manipulating NASA for political points" than about astronauts who were stuck in space for 9 months, with all the harmful effects that it entails?
    - bigmattystyles 2y ago
      To be fair, death from re-entry is pretty bad for your health as well.
porphyra 2y ago
Why didn't they do it for the health of the astronauts? What would make doing so "hacks"?
- echoangle 2y ago
  Why would you do it for the health? Their stays weren’t extremely long compared to other ISS expeditions.
  - erupt7893 2y ago
    Standard rotations are about 6 months - Butch and Suni were supposed to be up there for 8 days... Their families, their lives, and everything normal for way longer than planned. Health routines or not, that’s a brutal toll—mentally, emotionally, not just bones and muscles. Stop downplaying it like it’s no big deal
    - troupo 2y ago
      All you said are literally in the descriptions of the jobs they signed up for. They literally train for multiple gruesome death scenarios as part of their training. Not just "well, your 8-day stay has now become several months"
      - bheadmaster 2y ago
        Just because they signed up for it, doesn't mean we shouldn't try our best to prevent it. Staying for 9 months in space is not a small deal for people's health.
        troupo 2y ago
        So NASA did indeed try to prevent it, and weighed it against a multitude of other considerations, and actual experts running actual missions have explicitly and patiently explained the what, the how, and the why.
      - wang_li 2y ago
        >All you said are literally in the descriptions of the jobs they signed up for. Dismissing every exceptional circumstance as "the jobs they signed up for." is absurd. That's like saying the crash of flight 5342 that killed 67 people is what those passengers signed up for, so it's no big deal.
        troupo 2y ago
        Turns out they were prepared for this circumstance, had a back up plan, and communicated this plan many times. Just because you don't like this plan doesn't mean it's bad/political/whatever other fantasy you may come up with. > That's like saying the crash of flight 5342 that killed 67 people is what those passengers signed up for, so it's no big deal. Nope, it isn't like that at all. None of those passengers trained, rigorously, for an extreme number of extreme situations. Unlike astronauts whose training includes all that, and more. And risk and exceptional circumstances are absolutely one hundred percent in the job description. Unlike the passengers in the your analogy you pulled out of an unmentionable place.
cryptonector 2y ago
Having a docked ship is not enough. There must be a docked ship on station at all times for evacuations. The thing that was needed was another ship to take some people back and not everyone (well, all but any Russians, since they have their own ships).
- echoangle 2y ago
  Wrong, they could have packed all 4 astronauts (the 2 that came to the ISS on the dragon and Suni and Butch) into the docked dragon and returned at any point. They only waited for the next dragon (crew 10) so that not only the 3 people using the Soyuz would be left on the ISS. But this would have absolutely been possible. The remaining crew would have used their Soyuz in emergencies anyways, they don’t need the dragon.
  - somenameforme 2y ago
    There's way more than just them. Thanks to all the delays the 4-man SpaceX Crew-8 [1] stayed on the ISS until October 23rd, becoming the longest Dragon stay ever. And the 3-man crew from Soyuz MS-26 got there on September 11th, and is still there. In fact reading the Soyuz MS-26 Wiki, one of the many records this whole debacle ended up breaking is that when the MS-26 entered into space, there were more humans in space than ever before, with a total of 19! [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Crew-8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Crew-8 [2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_MS-26 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_MS-26
    - echoangle 2y ago
      Did you read my comment? Currently, there is one Dragon and one Soyuz docked to the ISS. If Crew-9 had left earlier, before the Crew-10 Dragon had arrived, there would have been only the Soyuz left.
      - bigmattystyles 2y ago
        Do the Soyuz still touch down in a desert in a place like Kazakhstan or do they touch down on water nowadays? The desert solid ground touch downs seem so brutal.

bheadmaster 2y ago

What do you mean? The fact that they didn't return the astronauts implies the last administration's integrity?

walls 2y ago
Yes, it shows they weren't manipulating NASA for political points.
- bheadmaster 2y ago
  That does not make sense. Did they care more about "not manipulating NASA for political points" than about astronauts who were stuck in space for 9 months, with all the harmful effects that it entails?
  - bigmattystyles 2y ago
    To be fair, death from re-entry is pretty bad for your health as well.

porphyra 2y ago

Why didn't they do it for the health of the astronauts? What would make doing so "hacks"?

echoangle 2y ago
Why would you do it for the health? Their stays weren’t extremely long compared to other ISS expeditions.
- erupt7893 2y ago
  Standard rotations are about 6 months - Butch and Suni were supposed to be up there for 8 days... Their families, their lives, and everything normal for way longer than planned. Health routines or not, that’s a brutal toll—mentally, emotionally, not just bones and muscles. Stop downplaying it like it’s no big deal
  - troupo 2y ago
    All you said are literally in the descriptions of the jobs they signed up for. They literally train for multiple gruesome death scenarios as part of their training. Not just "well, your 8-day stay has now become several months"
    - bheadmaster 2y ago
      Just because they signed up for it, doesn't mean we shouldn't try our best to prevent it. Staying for 9 months in space is not a small deal for people's health.
      - troupo 2y ago
        So NASA did indeed try to prevent it, and weighed it against a multitude of other considerations, and actual experts running actual missions have explicitly and patiently explained the what, the how, and the why.
    - wang_li 2y ago
      >All you said are literally in the descriptions of the jobs they signed up for. Dismissing every exceptional circumstance as "the jobs they signed up for." is absurd. That's like saying the crash of flight 5342 that killed 67 people is what those passengers signed up for, so it's no big deal.
      - troupo 2y ago
        Turns out they were prepared for this circumstance, had a back up plan, and communicated this plan many times. Just because you don't like this plan doesn't mean it's bad/political/whatever other fantasy you may come up with. > That's like saying the crash of flight 5342 that killed 67 people is what those passengers signed up for, so it's no big deal. Nope, it isn't like that at all. None of those passengers trained, rigorously, for an extreme number of extreme situations. Unlike astronauts whose training includes all that, and more. And risk and exceptional circumstances are absolutely one hundred percent in the job description. Unlike the passengers in the your analogy you pulled out of an unmentionable place.

cryptonector 2y ago

Having a docked ship is not enough. There must be a docked ship on station at all times for evacuations. The thing that was needed was another ship to take some people back and not everyone (well, all but any Russians, since they have their own ships).

echoangle 2y ago
Wrong, they could have packed all 4 astronauts (the 2 that came to the ISS on the dragon and Suni and Butch) into the docked dragon and returned at any point. They only waited for the next dragon (crew 10) so that not only the 3 people using the Soyuz would be left on the ISS. But this would have absolutely been possible. The remaining crew would have used their Soyuz in emergencies anyways, they don’t need the dragon.
- somenameforme 2y ago
  There's way more than just them. Thanks to all the delays the 4-man SpaceX Crew-8 [1] stayed on the ISS until October 23rd, becoming the longest Dragon stay ever. And the 3-man crew from Soyuz MS-26 got there on September 11th, and is still there. In fact reading the Soyuz MS-26 Wiki, one of the many records this whole debacle ended up breaking is that when the MS-26 entered into space, there were more humans in space than ever before, with a total of 19! [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Crew-8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Crew-8 [2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_MS-26 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_MS-26
  - echoangle 2y ago
    Did you read my comment? Currently, there is one Dragon and one Soyuz docked to the ISS. If Crew-9 had left earlier, before the Crew-10 Dragon had arrived, there would have been only the Soyuz left.
    - bigmattystyles 2y ago
      Do the Soyuz still touch down in a desert in a place like Kazakhstan or do they touch down on water nowadays? The desert solid ground touch downs seem so brutal.