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It's the coolest thing, but it will be frontier work. It won't be a walk in the park, almost certainly neither fun nor safe, and possibly a one-way ticket for a

It's the coolest thing, but it will be frontier work. It won't be a walk in the park, almost certainly neither fun nor safe, and possibly a one-way ticket for a long time. (Even without the "corp-owned slave town" dystopia scenario that's also a possibility.)

tonyhart7 2y ago
"corp-owned slave town" in space human slave is literally most expensive labor you can choose, automatons is the way
- bravetraveler 2y ago
  Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft... and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor. - Werner von Braun Thanks to delayed effects of radiation and such, people are the automatons. Extremely commodity and robust. Humanity, (or to be fair, safety) in my work is cooler, actually. Nothing beats my bed! The worst political nonsense I get caught in means a phone call. Not an extended stay with potential life-lasting or shortening effects. Rad is different for everyone :) Captain Paperclip would have encouraged the negative path, yes.
  - tonyhart7 2y ago
    oh yes lets send a spaceship that full of leading edge tech with unskilled human labor, sounds about right maybe you must see real world first, drinkable water and plant is literally of the most rare thing in the universe surpassing mineral and metal, one of the most abundant things in space
    - bravetraveler 2y ago
      The unskilled labor would be the parents, but I can tell the metaphor is lost. Not sure why I bother explaining that.
      - tonyhart7 2y ago
        I perfectly understand the metaphor but machine already replace human in factory on earth, why do you think human can work in the 10x times worse condition in space??? also if you born poor in earth, many people would take a chance to do space industry at all in the future despite the risk
        bravetraveler 2y ago
        We simply have different outlooks. I'm not going to argue it. I see exploitation (in a negative sense) where you're more optimistic. I truly hope you're right! Before we had machines to put in our factories, we had hordes of dead laborers. Regulations are written in blood. Then we had company towns and truly brutal police enforcement. Why will humans work there? Partly for the reason you gave: poverty. That makes them particularly expendable, offering themselves to the 'chance' as you say. edit: My bias is obvious, I work in SRE - not development. I don't create things, I deal with the fallout of creation. It's a lot like that.
        tonyhart7 2y ago
        wdym exploitation, space company would not having a hard time to pay their employee the same reason oil company do also human is expensive, if fleet of human slave is cheap then we outsource all of our work to china and india. but that don't happen we build a trillion dollar industry (AI and robotic) to make all of that
        bravetraveler 2y ago
        When I look at the power dynamics between employee [on a spaceship] and an employer, pay isn't the utmost concern. Not even the trendy replacement, scrip. Nay, performance reviews and how it might relate to oxygen availability. I don't see a collaborative trip through the cosmos, I see a very unhealthy relationship with danger to boot This may be all the more reason for robots, but again: humans take no engineering. Just a few minutes and a lot of tries (heh, sex joke). They'll literally pay for themselves. RE: outsourcing, I don't know what you mean/where you are. That's exactly what's been happening, here. Consistently. For decades. Many ventures can happen.

tonyhart7 2y ago

"corp-owned slave town" in space human slave is literally most expensive labor you can choose, automatons is the way

bravetraveler 2y ago
Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft... and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor. - Werner von Braun Thanks to delayed effects of radiation and such, people are the automatons. Extremely commodity and robust. Humanity, (or to be fair, safety) in my work is cooler, actually. Nothing beats my bed! The worst political nonsense I get caught in means a phone call. Not an extended stay with potential life-lasting or shortening effects. Rad is different for everyone :) Captain Paperclip would have encouraged the negative path, yes.
- tonyhart7 2y ago
  oh yes lets send a spaceship that full of leading edge tech with unskilled human labor, sounds about right maybe you must see real world first, drinkable water and plant is literally of the most rare thing in the universe surpassing mineral and metal, one of the most abundant things in space
  - bravetraveler 2y ago
    The unskilled labor would be the parents, but I can tell the metaphor is lost. Not sure why I bother explaining that.
    - tonyhart7 2y ago
      I perfectly understand the metaphor but machine already replace human in factory on earth, why do you think human can work in the 10x times worse condition in space??? also if you born poor in earth, many people would take a chance to do space industry at all in the future despite the risk
      - bravetraveler 2y ago
        We simply have different outlooks. I'm not going to argue it. I see exploitation (in a negative sense) where you're more optimistic. I truly hope you're right! Before we had machines to put in our factories, we had hordes of dead laborers. Regulations are written in blood. Then we had company towns and truly brutal police enforcement. Why will humans work there? Partly for the reason you gave: poverty. That makes them particularly expendable, offering themselves to the 'chance' as you say. edit: My bias is obvious, I work in SRE - not development. I don't create things, I deal with the fallout of creation. It's a lot like that.
        tonyhart7 2y ago
        wdym exploitation, space company would not having a hard time to pay their employee the same reason oil company do also human is expensive, if fleet of human slave is cheap then we outsource all of our work to china and india. but that don't happen we build a trillion dollar industry (AI and robotic) to make all of that
        bravetraveler 2y ago
        When I look at the power dynamics between employee [on a spaceship] and an employer, pay isn't the utmost concern. Not even the trendy replacement, scrip. Nay, performance reviews and how it might relate to oxygen availability. I don't see a collaborative trip through the cosmos, I see a very unhealthy relationship with danger to boot This may be all the more reason for robots, but again: humans take no engineering. Just a few minutes and a lot of tries (heh, sex joke). They'll literally pay for themselves. RE: outsourcing, I don't know what you mean/where you are. That's exactly what's been happening, here. Consistently. For decades. Many ventures can happen.