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What do you mean when you say that Reddit is too mainstream for you? I mostly read RSS feeds and hang out on Mastodon. I don't really chat anywhere anymore, no

by elric 2y ago

What do you mean when you say that Reddit is too mainstream for you? I mostly read RSS feeds and hang out on Mastodon. I don't really chat anywhere anymore, not since I left the last IRC channel years ago. I occasionally miss it, but haven't found anything that comes close enough.

mrweasel 2y ago
Not sure if this is what they meant, but Reddit is just Facebook for younger people. The outrage is the same, the click bait, the like hunting and the general attention seeking. There's some good stuff, absolutely, but the same is true for Facebook. If you're not part of a sub-culture, and a narrow one at that, then Reddit content is pretty much your run of the mill click bait. Just like with Facebook, I think that the good Reddit content is either in private or really niche sub-reddits. Things like AskReddit, Politics, AITA or any of the subreddits linked at the top of site, they are all pretty Facebook like content, just spewing out much faster.
- ykonstant 2y ago
  I don't know; reddit still has long-term, threaded discussions without character limit and a forum-like interface if you are using ~sane reddit~ sorry, I mean "old reddit". That is quite different from facebook, niche groups or not.
  - mrweasel 2y ago
    My theory is that they keep old.reddit.com around to generate training data for the AI companies.
    - ykonstant 2y ago
      If they know what is good for them, they will keep it for that reason at least. Because trying to read and write long form discussions in the "new" interface is a joke.
      - aaronbaugher 2y ago
        I installed a Chrome extension that converts reddit URLs to old.reddit, because reading an entire discussion on new reddit is almost impossible, and clearly not something they intend you to do.
    - red-iron-pine 2y ago
      the day that old.reddit stops working is the day I never use the platform again
mdp2021 2y ago
> What do you mean when you say Can I offer a perspective you can add to the interpretations? Apart from the staggeringly low "effort" you will find in it, and behaviours that in proper societies will have the offender's skull broken, it is (was?) a place you surely would visit were you for some reason interested in groups like "the budding party of those convinced of some personally held stance and visiting the premises to just shout that their guts are right, to woo the likeminded and boo the onlookers". Being that "ideological hooliganism with the pre-Popperian tint of 'To the man with a hammer everything looks like a nail'" bestial, of a widespread bestiality, that would be "mainstream". (Of course being it made of chambers there can - and will - be exceptions, but that is the environment which allowed that general culture on which to possibly build exceptions.)
- elric 2y ago
  I'm not sure what this word salad is trying to say. I've read it several times now, and I still don't get it. Your reference to "proper societies" and "broken skulls" is a bit worrysome.
  - mdp2021 2y ago
    No prob! I will rephrase - just be aware that a "salad" is not structured, and what you read above is quite the opposite. My difficulty is that it is not clear what may not be clear to you. Maybe an instance? That website is divided in sections, each with its own population, and you will easily find many of the form "Those who believe that the moon should be rebuilt with cheese can come here to support each other in this blind persuasion, chanting hooligan choirs (intellectual arguments will be out of place here) against the rest (the "profligates", the "heretic" etc.), so the community can feel strong". So, you will find hooligans vocally expressing their persuasions (not defending it - just shouting it), proposing world views that would instead require some intellectual defense (hence the mention of Popper), and interpreting phenomena according to the dogma of that world view, painting the world accordingly ("to the man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail"). I do not know what you could not understand, so I can only rephrase the other post. > worrysome Good, in general - people today are so relaxed! So relaxed they abuse their freedom. If you visited the site in question, you would find an abundance of participants that out of their "relaxation" will abuse you, protected by the distance of the web page. If the abusers went directly to some group of people in person, physically in front of the abused, what would follow would either be restrained violence and the Social effort, expressed in verbal and non verbal communication, to put the offender back in the framework of proper behaviour, or finally that actual violence that was once called "teaching a lesson". Edit: addendum: the moderation you can find in that place is of the form "Sorry to hear that an apparent minor is taunting you, would you like us to hide its posts?". Normal, correct reply: "No, I want you to correct the brat and teach it manners, as duly in a supposed community".

by elric 2y ago

mrweasel 2y ago

Not sure if this is what they meant, but Reddit is just Facebook for younger people. The outrage is the same, the click bait, the like hunting and the general attention seeking. There's some good stuff, absolutely, but the same is true for Facebook. If you're not part of a sub-culture, and a narrow one at that, then Reddit content is pretty much your run of the mill click bait. Just like with Facebook, I think that the good Reddit content is either in private or really niche sub-reddits. Things like AskReddit, Politics, AITA or any of the subreddits linked at the top of site, they are all pretty Facebook like content, just spewing out much faster.

ykonstant 2y ago
I don't know; reddit still has long-term, threaded discussions without character limit and a forum-like interface if you are using ~sane reddit~ sorry, I mean "old reddit". That is quite different from facebook, niche groups or not.
- mrweasel 2y ago
  My theory is that they keep old.reddit.com around to generate training data for the AI companies.
  - ykonstant 2y ago
    If they know what is good for them, they will keep it for that reason at least. Because trying to read and write long form discussions in the "new" interface is a joke.
    - aaronbaugher 2y ago
      I installed a Chrome extension that converts reddit URLs to old.reddit, because reading an entire discussion on new reddit is almost impossible, and clearly not something they intend you to do.
  - red-iron-pine 2y ago
    the day that old.reddit stops working is the day I never use the platform again

mdp2021 2y ago

> What do you mean when you say Can I offer a perspective you can add to the interpretations? Apart from the staggeringly low "effort" you will find in it, and behaviours that in proper societies will have the offender's skull broken, it is (was?) a place you surely would visit were you for some reason interested in groups like "the budding party of those convinced of some personally held stance and visiting the premises to just shout that their guts are right, to woo the likeminded and boo the onlookers". Being that "ideological hooliganism with the pre-Popperian tint of 'To the man with a hammer everything looks like a nail'" bestial, of a widespread bestiality, that would be "mainstream". (Of course being it made of chambers there can - and will - be exceptions, but that is the environment which allowed that general culture on which to possibly build exceptions.)

elric 2y ago
I'm not sure what this word salad is trying to say. I've read it several times now, and I still don't get it. Your reference to "proper societies" and "broken skulls" is a bit worrysome.
- mdp2021 2y ago
  No prob! I will rephrase - just be aware that a "salad" is not structured, and what you read above is quite the opposite. My difficulty is that it is not clear what may not be clear to you. Maybe an instance? That website is divided in sections, each with its own population, and you will easily find many of the form "Those who believe that the moon should be rebuilt with cheese can come here to support each other in this blind persuasion, chanting hooligan choirs (intellectual arguments will be out of place here) against the rest (the "profligates", the "heretic" etc.), so the community can feel strong". So, you will find hooligans vocally expressing their persuasions (not defending it - just shouting it), proposing world views that would instead require some intellectual defense (hence the mention of Popper), and interpreting phenomena according to the dogma of that world view, painting the world accordingly ("to the man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail"). I do not know what you could not understand, so I can only rephrase the other post. > worrysome Good, in general - people today are so relaxed! So relaxed they abuse their freedom. If you visited the site in question, you would find an abundance of participants that out of their "relaxation" will abuse you, protected by the distance of the web page. If the abusers went directly to some group of people in person, physically in front of the abused, what would follow would either be restrained violence and the Social effort, expressed in verbal and non verbal communication, to put the offender back in the framework of proper behaviour, or finally that actual violence that was once called "teaching a lesson". Edit: addendum: the moderation you can find in that place is of the form "Sorry to hear that an apparent minor is taunting you, would you like us to hide its posts?". Normal, correct reply: "No, I want you to correct the brat and teach it manners, as duly in a supposed community".