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Dems were in a no-win situation. If the govt shut down then repubs could put everything they want to ax on the table and hold the entire govt hostage repeatedl

by chneu 2y ago

Dems were in a no-win situation. If the govt shut down then repubs could put everything they want to ax on the table and hold the entire govt hostage repeatedly on every individual issue. If they don't allow repubs to hold the govt hostage they're traitors. No winning for Dems in that situation besides grandstanding, which only works if Dems are united and they aren't. Right now the dem strategy seems to be to let Republicans do whatever they want and see how bad it gets in the hope that voters reject Republicans next time around.

thrance 2y ago
Everyone wanted the democrat to let the shutdown happen, according to the polls. That could have given them bargaining power. But the republicans found enough traitors to vote for their law with no debate whatsoever. As I mentioned in my previous comment (did you read it?) that strategy of doing nothing doesn't work, as they are losing popularity faster than the republicans. People see them idling and smiling while the GOP destroys the country and they don't like that, at all.
- taylodl 2y ago
  The same polls that said Kamala was going to win the election? No, chneu is right. We know the stock market is crashing, and a recession is coming. No point giving the Republicans a government shutdown as an excuse. The Democrats have simply forced the Republicans to lay in the bed they've made. After all, Trump keeps saying he has a mandate, right? Let the voters experience the consequence of their vote. Things have to get worse before they're going to be able to get better.
- chneu 2y ago
  Polls don't matter. Dems made a "which is worse" decision. They chose the less crappy option. A govt shutdown is far, far worse for everyday Americans than some polling. What Trump and Co are doing now is nothing compared to what they can do if they can hold every single budget item hostage. The "traitors" understand this and made the less bad decision. By keeping the govt open it takes a huge amount of power away from MAGA. Things are already going to get real bad. Why let Republicans have absolute control over the budget too?
  - thrance 2y ago
    What? How is letting the Republicans pass their bill as-is with no revision whatsoever taking "a huge amount of power from MAGA"? A shutdown may have forced the Republicans to make concessions, but instead they'll continue to do whatever they want in the foreseeable future, and now with the Democratic party's blessings. Don't fool yourself, the Dems that voted for the bill didn't do it with the American people in mind, nor even their own party. It was purely out of self-interest and to catter to the new king.

by chneu 2y ago

thrance 2y ago

Everyone wanted the democrat to let the shutdown happen, according to the polls. That could have given them bargaining power. But the republicans found enough traitors to vote for their law with no debate whatsoever. As I mentioned in my previous comment (did you read it?) that strategy of doing nothing doesn't work, as they are losing popularity faster than the republicans. People see them idling and smiling while the GOP destroys the country and they don't like that, at all.

taylodl 2y ago
The same polls that said Kamala was going to win the election? No, chneu is right. We know the stock market is crashing, and a recession is coming. No point giving the Republicans a government shutdown as an excuse. The Democrats have simply forced the Republicans to lay in the bed they've made. After all, Trump keeps saying he has a mandate, right? Let the voters experience the consequence of their vote. Things have to get worse before they're going to be able to get better.
chneu 2y ago
Polls don't matter. Dems made a "which is worse" decision. They chose the less crappy option. A govt shutdown is far, far worse for everyday Americans than some polling. What Trump and Co are doing now is nothing compared to what they can do if they can hold every single budget item hostage. The "traitors" understand this and made the less bad decision. By keeping the govt open it takes a huge amount of power away from MAGA. Things are already going to get real bad. Why let Republicans have absolute control over the budget too?
- thrance 2y ago
  What? How is letting the Republicans pass their bill as-is with no revision whatsoever taking "a huge amount of power from MAGA"? A shutdown may have forced the Republicans to make concessions, but instead they'll continue to do whatever they want in the foreseeable future, and now with the Democratic party's blessings. Don't fool yourself, the Dems that voted for the bill didn't do it with the American people in mind, nor even their own party. It was purely out of self-interest and to catter to the new king.