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If it wasn't silly apartheid kid psychos like Elon or Peter Thiel could run for president. But fortunately they can't because of those silly requirements. Unfor

by petre 2y ago

If it wasn't silly apartheid kid psychos like Elon or Peter Thiel could run for president. But fortunately they can't because of those silly requirements. Unfortunately that's not enough to stop psychos that can actually run, as we have all witnessed.

eru 2y ago
By that argument, we should ban everyone whose Social Security number is even from running. That would prevent about 50% of psychos from running. I say, let them all run, and let the voters sort it out. At least, if you believe in democracy.
- toyg 2y ago
  Although I agree on the silliness of the citizenship-at-birth rule, a maximalist approach to democracy can be very dangerous. The most unstable democracies of the past century were, often, the most democratic ones - Weimar, various French republics, etc. The democratic paradox is real, and finding ways to minimize its worst outcomes can be legitimate.
  - eru 2y ago
    I agree that this is a valid concern. However, we should then carefully review which restrictions actually help with stability and which restrictions are a nuisance. It's instructive to compare the constitution of the Federal Republic of Germany with the Weimar Republic. For example, while modern Germany still uses proportional representation, you need 5% of the votes to get any seats at all. (I'm simplifying a bit.) And you can no longer have a pure 'vote of no confidence' in parliament to bring down the government, you need to simultaneously put a new one in power, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructive_vote_of_no_confidence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructive_vote_of_no_confid... As for the US president: I think the requirement for a minimum age and for citizenship are fair enough, because these are fairly easy to verify once and for all. But I think that the requirement for citizenship at birth is, if anything, bad for stability: remember the birthers? Now imagine that in Obama's 6th year in office, some random birther had actually found some reasonably compelling evidence (but not compelling enough to make even Obama supporters agree). Can you imagine the chaos?

by petre 2y ago

eru 2y ago

By that argument, we should ban everyone whose Social Security number is even from running. That would prevent about 50% of psychos from running. I say, let them all run, and let the voters sort it out. At least, if you believe in democracy.

toyg 2y ago
Although I agree on the silliness of the citizenship-at-birth rule, a maximalist approach to democracy can be very dangerous. The most unstable democracies of the past century were, often, the most democratic ones - Weimar, various French republics, etc. The democratic paradox is real, and finding ways to minimize its worst outcomes can be legitimate.
- eru 2y ago
  I agree that this is a valid concern. However, we should then carefully review which restrictions actually help with stability and which restrictions are a nuisance. It's instructive to compare the constitution of the Federal Republic of Germany with the Weimar Republic. For example, while modern Germany still uses proportional representation, you need 5% of the votes to get any seats at all. (I'm simplifying a bit.) And you can no longer have a pure 'vote of no confidence' in parliament to bring down the government, you need to simultaneously put a new one in power, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructive_vote_of_no_confidence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructive_vote_of_no_confid... As for the US president: I think the requirement for a minimum age and for citizenship are fair enough, because these are fairly easy to verify once and for all. But I think that the requirement for citizenship at birth is, if anything, bad for stability: remember the birthers? Now imagine that in Obama's 6th year in office, some random birther had actually found some reasonably compelling evidence (but not compelling enough to make even Obama supporters agree). Can you imagine the chaos?