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For a significant part of the world China has not tried to conquer their country or done them any harm. Their only experience with toppling governments comes fr

For a significant part of the world China has not tried to conquer their country or done them any harm. Their only experience with toppling governments comes from the US doing it to them. History will catch up with the US one day.

CMay 2y ago
Except China has been imperialist for longer than the US has existed. Then after the Qing dynasty fell and the CCP rose, they've been trying to imagine what the greatness of their past empire looked like and regain it. Their last empire was weak and out of touch with the world which caused self-inflicted humiliation. Now they're trying to form a stronger empire. Taking territory, taking sea, influencing international institutions and so on. They've been using unrestricted warfare to wage probably the largest scale influence campaign of any country in history to get China's way in the world. This, from a country that has very flexible views on the value of human life and sees the US's valuing of human life as a weakness to exploit. The CCP even used terrorist human shield tactics. We've fought China's enemies more than we've fought China. Germany, Japan, England and Russia all took territory from China. We've fought or pushed back against all of them. I'm sure the Great Wall exists for reasons you can imagine too. All of its neighbors are basically some kind of empire and China isn't exempt from playing the same game. People misunderstand our posture to our allies. We aren't losing them. We're making them stronger. The US and its allies all need to harden up, because that's the posture of China and Russia. To topple the US, you would have to topple a bunch of states simultaneously, because the federal government is irrelevant in that regard. That only gives you a chance, not even a guarantee of overturning the constitution. Even then, in the worst case our allies would see the value of our continued existence and possibly intervene. Don't expect to see it any time soon.
signatoremo 2y ago
That is because China has only become regional and global power in the last 3 decades. They didn’t have the means to threaten the world. They do now. See how they projected their naval power against Australia and New Zealand - [0] China’s behavior in Africa and countries such as Laos and Cambodia resembles neocolonialism of the past - [1]. In other words, they acted exactly like colonists who controlled China a century ago. Even when they were a communism country, they caused conflicts with all of their neighbors — USSR, India, Vietnam. They supported Khmer Rouge and were responsible for the genocide that killed at least a million Khmers. They invaded and occupied Tibets. [0] - https://www.twz.com/news-features/chinas-sudden-live-fire-naval-drills-off-australia-rattle-camberra https://www.twz.com/news-features/chinas-sudden-live-fire-na... [1] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocolonialism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocolonialism
- suraci 2y ago
  China! THE COLONIZER!!! America has better values than most countries. And Americans should generally trust America more than foreign countries and certainly more than the chinese government. here are some civilian deaths within china: - land reform killed 1-4.7 million - campaign to suppress counterrevolutionaries killed 712k-2mm - three-anti and five-anti campaigns killed at least 100k - sufan movement killed ~53k - anti-rightist campaign killed 550k-2mm - '59 tibetan uprising killed 87k - violence in the great chinese famine killed 2.5mm - socialist education movement killed 77k - guanxi massacre killed 100-150k - inner mongolia incident killed 15-100k - yangjiang massacre killed 3.5k - daoxian massacre killed 9k - ruijin massacre killed 1k - zhao jianmin spy case killed 17k - shadian incident killed 1.6k - tiananmen square protests & massacre killed 200-10k that's just a sample. this doesn't show the ongoing genocides, the economic colonization of SE asia and africa, the abuses of chinese-supported states (DPRK, burmese junta, naval intervention in libya, etc.) objectively the American system seems to work out much better and is based on vastly superior principles. all that aside, I am an American and place the interests of my people ahead of those of foreigners. as such, I will support a world order led by the government most likely to maximize our welfare and very nearly any means needed to preserve that.
  - klooney 2y ago
    No Great Leap Forward?
  - jajko 2y ago
    Now count all the millions of civilian deaths from (often failed) US invasions during same period of time. Its fine you are a patriot and think about your country first and foremost, but so is rest of the world, meaning remaining 96% of humans living right now. Pretty horrible things were done not so long ago with similar mentality to yours. But if you want US to be a global selfish bully so be it, world will realign.
    - AlexeyBelov 2y ago
      He's not American, he's Chinese. I don't know why the lie, it's plainly obvious from their previous comments.

CMay 2y ago

Except China has been imperialist for longer than the US has existed. Then after the Qing dynasty fell and the CCP rose, they've been trying to imagine what the greatness of their past empire looked like and regain it. Their last empire was weak and out of touch with the world which caused self-inflicted humiliation. Now they're trying to form a stronger empire. Taking territory, taking sea, influencing international institutions and so on. They've been using unrestricted warfare to wage probably the largest scale influence campaign of any country in history to get China's way in the world. This, from a country that has very flexible views on the value of human life and sees the US's valuing of human life as a weakness to exploit. The CCP even used terrorist human shield tactics. We've fought China's enemies more than we've fought China. Germany, Japan, England and Russia all took territory from China. We've fought or pushed back against all of them. I'm sure the Great Wall exists for reasons you can imagine too. All of its neighbors are basically some kind of empire and China isn't exempt from playing the same game. People misunderstand our posture to our allies. We aren't losing them. We're making them stronger. The US and its allies all need to harden up, because that's the posture of China and Russia. To topple the US, you would have to topple a bunch of states simultaneously, because the federal government is irrelevant in that regard. That only gives you a chance, not even a guarantee of overturning the constitution. Even then, in the worst case our allies would see the value of our continued existence and possibly intervene. Don't expect to see it any time soon.

signatoremo 2y ago

That is because China has only become regional and global power in the last 3 decades. They didn’t have the means to threaten the world. They do now. See how they projected their naval power against Australia and New Zealand - [0] China’s behavior in Africa and countries such as Laos and Cambodia resembles neocolonialism of the past - [1]. In other words, they acted exactly like colonists who controlled China a century ago. Even when they were a communism country, they caused conflicts with all of their neighbors — USSR, India, Vietnam. They supported Khmer Rouge and were responsible for the genocide that killed at least a million Khmers. They invaded and occupied Tibets. [0] - https://www.twz.com/news-features/chinas-sudden-live-fire-naval-drills-off-australia-rattle-camberra https://www.twz.com/news-features/chinas-sudden-live-fire-na... [1] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocolonialism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocolonialism

suraci 2y ago
China! THE COLONIZER!!! America has better values than most countries. And Americans should generally trust America more than foreign countries and certainly more than the chinese government. here are some civilian deaths within china: - land reform killed 1-4.7 million - campaign to suppress counterrevolutionaries killed 712k-2mm - three-anti and five-anti campaigns killed at least 100k - sufan movement killed ~53k - anti-rightist campaign killed 550k-2mm - '59 tibetan uprising killed 87k - violence in the great chinese famine killed 2.5mm - socialist education movement killed 77k - guanxi massacre killed 100-150k - inner mongolia incident killed 15-100k - yangjiang massacre killed 3.5k - daoxian massacre killed 9k - ruijin massacre killed 1k - zhao jianmin spy case killed 17k - shadian incident killed 1.6k - tiananmen square protests & massacre killed 200-10k that's just a sample. this doesn't show the ongoing genocides, the economic colonization of SE asia and africa, the abuses of chinese-supported states (DPRK, burmese junta, naval intervention in libya, etc.) objectively the American system seems to work out much better and is based on vastly superior principles. all that aside, I am an American and place the interests of my people ahead of those of foreigners. as such, I will support a world order led by the government most likely to maximize our welfare and very nearly any means needed to preserve that.
- klooney 2y ago
  No Great Leap Forward?
- jajko 2y ago
  Now count all the millions of civilian deaths from (often failed) US invasions during same period of time. Its fine you are a patriot and think about your country first and foremost, but so is rest of the world, meaning remaining 96% of humans living right now. Pretty horrible things were done not so long ago with similar mentality to yours. But if you want US to be a global selfish bully so be it, world will realign.
  - AlexeyBelov 2y ago
    He's not American, he's Chinese. I don't know why the lie, it's plainly obvious from their previous comments.