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Oh whatever :P Don’t be condescending about a mindset you don’t experience yourself. I ran debian as my daily driver for like half my life; now I’m on mac and

Oh whatever :P Don’t be condescending about a mindset you don’t experience yourself. I ran debian as my daily driver for like half my life; now I’m on mac and never have to worry about my friggin wifi driver.

dingnuts 2y ago
I haven't had a problem with my Wi-Fi in Linux since 2006, what are you on about?
- rasmus-kirk 2y ago
  Yeah, I'm running PopOS woth minimal issues and have been doing so for 5 years. The only issues I have is that they built it on a jank stack of Gnome, but they're fixing that at this moment. It sounds like a lot of the "I used to use Linux, but nothing worked" crowd are either previous Arch-users (no shit you had to do everything manually) or older folks.
- underdeserver 2y ago
  You're squarely in the minority, mate.
  - kraf 2y ago
    Nah he's not. Stuff has been pretty stable, impressively so. Especially if you keep to certain hardware options which Apple users also accept.
- Defletter 2y ago
  Congrats? I've personally experienced driver issues on my laptop and desktop, both from the hardware being too new for the kernel (or at least the version being used by that distro), within the past two years. And this is LMDE, not some fringe one-man fork.
  - Aachen 2y ago
    If we want to pile anecdotes, it just works for me as well. The most recent driver problem I had was Windows, needed to preload something during the installer to get it to recognise hard drives in proxmox working if I remember correctly, and that's not even speaking of printer problems on Windows compared to the seamless integration they now seem to have on Debian (or is my desktop environment responsible for that? Not sure, I'm not super deep into Linux stuff)
liquid_thyme 2y ago
You can both use macs and criticize Apple to be and do better. Why would they change for no reason? I've heard this myth about companies listening to customers :)
kraf 2y ago
It's been many years since I had my last driver issue. I find that impressive considering how many different platforms Linux has to run on. Have you noticed how bad the Docker experience is on Macs though, after how many years?
- cowsandmilk 2y ago
  Not sure how that’s the fault of MacOS
  - fsflover 2y ago
    Whose fault is it? Also, as opposite to the Linux wifi driver?
aiisjustanif 2y ago
I have never had an issue with WiFi drivers as an Arch and EndeavourOS user for 6 years now. And for the last 3 years my Framework Laptop does just work as my daily driver. I think it is unjust to share strong opinions about previous issues that Linux distributions had without recent evidence.
- lanyard-textile 2y ago
  That’s fair :) Guess I’m just scarred.

dingnuts 2y ago

I haven't had a problem with my Wi-Fi in Linux since 2006, what are you on about?

rasmus-kirk 2y ago
Yeah, I'm running PopOS woth minimal issues and have been doing so for 5 years. The only issues I have is that they built it on a jank stack of Gnome, but they're fixing that at this moment. It sounds like a lot of the "I used to use Linux, but nothing worked" crowd are either previous Arch-users (no shit you had to do everything manually) or older folks.
underdeserver 2y ago
You're squarely in the minority, mate.
- kraf 2y ago
  Nah he's not. Stuff has been pretty stable, impressively so. Especially if you keep to certain hardware options which Apple users also accept.
Defletter 2y ago
Congrats? I've personally experienced driver issues on my laptop and desktop, both from the hardware being too new for the kernel (or at least the version being used by that distro), within the past two years. And this is LMDE, not some fringe one-man fork.
- Aachen 2y ago
  If we want to pile anecdotes, it just works for me as well. The most recent driver problem I had was Windows, needed to preload something during the installer to get it to recognise hard drives in proxmox working if I remember correctly, and that's not even speaking of printer problems on Windows compared to the seamless integration they now seem to have on Debian (or is my desktop environment responsible for that? Not sure, I'm not super deep into Linux stuff)

liquid_thyme 2y ago

You can both use macs and criticize Apple to be and do better. Why would they change for no reason? I've heard this myth about companies listening to customers :)

kraf 2y ago

It's been many years since I had my last driver issue. I find that impressive considering how many different platforms Linux has to run on. Have you noticed how bad the Docker experience is on Macs though, after how many years?

cowsandmilk 2y ago
Not sure how that’s the fault of MacOS
- fsflover 2y ago
  Whose fault is it? Also, as opposite to the Linux wifi driver?

aiisjustanif 2y ago

I have never had an issue with WiFi drivers as an Arch and EndeavourOS user for 6 years now. And for the last 3 years my Framework Laptop does just work as my daily driver. I think it is unjust to share strong opinions about previous issues that Linux distributions had without recent evidence.

lanyard-textile 2y ago
That’s fair :) Guess I’m just scarred.