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In 2028, The State of Indiana is going to issue a corrected birth certificate for Pete Buttigieg showing him to be 32 years and therefore not eligible to be pre

In 2028, The State of Indiana is going to issue a corrected birth certificate for Pete Buttigieg showing him to be 32 years and therefore not eligible to be president.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
The Constitution requires Presidents “have attained to the Age of thirty five Years” [1]. It cites the fact, not the certificate. The Turkish law doesn’t seem to require an education, it requires a degree. Minor difference. (And the text of the law wouldn’t matter in the end.) But an interesting difference nevertheless. [1] https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/article-2/ https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/article-2/
- YZF 2y ago
  Can't this be fixed easily by another university bestowing an honorary degree to this guy then?
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Can't this be fixed easily by another university bestowing an honorary degree to this guy then? No. That’s a technical solution to a political problem. But, we’re on HN! Does anyone have a good English translation of the relevant statute? The loopholes to a certificate problem are with the certification authority—how is a compliant degree defined?
    - wodenokoto 2y ago
      Cancelling his degree is just as technical a solution to a political problem.
      - hoseja 2y ago
        Sure but Erdogan can just have him cut up for kebab if he doesn't take the hint. Not so the other way around.
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > Cancelling his degree is just as technical a solution to a political problem Violating a law versus violating a norm. Big difference.
klipt 2y ago
Or claim he wasn't even born the US...
echelon 2y ago
I'm LGBT and I feel fairly confident in saying that there's no way in hell America will elect a gay man in my lifetime. If Pete is the Democratic candidate, it's a freebie to the Republicans. I think that Democrats that believe a Pete win is possible live in a bubble. Their views are invalid until they travel the States more to increase their exposure to the rest of the electorate.
- almostgotcaught 2y ago
  > gay man i think you're wrong and i certainly don't live in a bubble. but the reason i think you're wrong is not that america is progressive enough accept a gay man but because he's basically not gay; he's absolutely the least gay presenting man in the history of gay presenting men (exaggerating a little). he has no lisp, not an ounce of flamboyancy, nothing, zilch, nada. I'm aware he's fully out and there are photos of him with his husband and child and etc. he's also young, handsome, ivy-league educated, was an officer in the military and deployed, intelligent, extremely well-spoken, and charismatic (not to mention experienced but who cares about such trivial things). he has all of the qualities that made obama successful in 2008 just swap black->gay. most importantly, and i'm not flaunting this: he's a man. so i do hope he runs because he i think he has a better chance than bernie or kamala or walz or newsom or hakeem or aoc. but hey we all know there won't be an election in 2028 anyway so what are we even talking about here lol.
  - tsimionescu 2y ago
    I wonder if he'd "dedicate another apse in his cathedral mind" [0] to trying to find out. The amount and shamelessness of sycophancy that modern American politicians cultivate is staggering (Trump being the chief example, of course - but seeing this with someone as relatively obscure as Pete is also spectacular). [0] https://www.wired.com/story/pete-buttigieg-interview-god-beer-electric-mustang/ https://www.wired.com/story/pete-buttigieg-interview-god-bee...
  - kelnos 2y ago
    I really don't think any of that matters. "He can pass for straight" is not going to sway much of anyone who is uncomfortable with the idea of a gay president. Sure, some voters would be more comfortable with Buttigieg than with, say, a flamboyantly gay man, but overall I don't see the electorate going for him.

In 2028, The State of Indiana is going to issue a corrected birth certificate for Pete Buttigieg showing him to be 32 years and therefore not eligible to be president.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

The Constitution requires Presidents “have attained to the Age of thirty five Years” [1]. It cites the fact, not the certificate. The Turkish law doesn’t seem to require an education, it requires a degree. Minor difference. (And the text of the law wouldn’t matter in the end.) But an interesting difference nevertheless. [1] https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/article-2/ https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/article-2/

YZF 2y ago
Can't this be fixed easily by another university bestowing an honorary degree to this guy then?
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Can't this be fixed easily by another university bestowing an honorary degree to this guy then? No. That’s a technical solution to a political problem. But, we’re on HN! Does anyone have a good English translation of the relevant statute? The loopholes to a certificate problem are with the certification authority—how is a compliant degree defined?
  - wodenokoto 2y ago
    Cancelling his degree is just as technical a solution to a political problem.
    - hoseja 2y ago
      Sure but Erdogan can just have him cut up for kebab if he doesn't take the hint. Not so the other way around.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > Cancelling his degree is just as technical a solution to a political problem Violating a law versus violating a norm. Big difference.

klipt 2y ago

Or claim he wasn't even born the US...

echelon 2y ago

I'm LGBT and I feel fairly confident in saying that there's no way in hell America will elect a gay man in my lifetime. If Pete is the Democratic candidate, it's a freebie to the Republicans. I think that Democrats that believe a Pete win is possible live in a bubble. Their views are invalid until they travel the States more to increase their exposure to the rest of the electorate.

almostgotcaught 2y ago
> gay man i think you're wrong and i certainly don't live in a bubble. but the reason i think you're wrong is not that america is progressive enough accept a gay man but because he's basically not gay; he's absolutely the least gay presenting man in the history of gay presenting men (exaggerating a little). he has no lisp, not an ounce of flamboyancy, nothing, zilch, nada. I'm aware he's fully out and there are photos of him with his husband and child and etc. he's also young, handsome, ivy-league educated, was an officer in the military and deployed, intelligent, extremely well-spoken, and charismatic (not to mention experienced but who cares about such trivial things). he has all of the qualities that made obama successful in 2008 just swap black->gay. most importantly, and i'm not flaunting this: he's a man. so i do hope he runs because he i think he has a better chance than bernie or kamala or walz or newsom or hakeem or aoc. but hey we all know there won't be an election in 2028 anyway so what are we even talking about here lol.
- tsimionescu 2y ago
  I wonder if he'd "dedicate another apse in his cathedral mind" [0] to trying to find out. The amount and shamelessness of sycophancy that modern American politicians cultivate is staggering (Trump being the chief example, of course - but seeing this with someone as relatively obscure as Pete is also spectacular). [0] https://www.wired.com/story/pete-buttigieg-interview-god-beer-electric-mustang/ https://www.wired.com/story/pete-buttigieg-interview-god-bee...
- kelnos 2y ago
  I really don't think any of that matters. "He can pass for straight" is not going to sway much of anyone who is uncomfortable with the idea of a gay president. Sure, some voters would be more comfortable with Buttigieg than with, say, a flamboyantly gay man, but overall I don't see the electorate going for him.