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DOGE is both a coup and a decapitation strike. Destruction of American prosperity and reputation is achieving it's goal. Of course it's a coup -- Timothy Snyde

DOGE is both a coup and a decapitation strike. Destruction of American prosperity and reputation is achieving it's goal. Of course it's a coup -- Timothy Snyder (https://archive.is/fNpSS https://archive.is/fNpSS -- https://snyder.substack.com/p/of-course-its-a-coup https://snyder.substack.com/p/of-course-its-a-coup) Decapitation strike -- Timothy Snyder (https://archive.is/1xkxK https://archive.is/1xkxK -- https://snyder.substack.com/p/decapitation-strike-december https://snyder.substack.com/p/decapitation-strike-december)

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> DOGE is both a coup and a decapitation strike It had the potential to be. It didn't wind up being one. The notion of Musk having influence over Trump now looks a bit silly. The decapitation is true, but that's MAGA, not DOGE. I'm genuinely split between DOGE being a (1) busywork/feel-good project to keep Musk from becoming a problem or (2) distraction so Trump could get his deficit-busting tax cuts and spending increases through. (If the latter, we should learn soon.)
- anigbrowl 2y ago
  I think you're being a bit previous - the fact of legal challenges might ultimately prove to be just a speedbump, and the MAGA crowd have made clear their belief in ignoring unfavorable legal judgements and directing blame for any constitutional crisis on the judicial officials. I said at the time that Musk bought Twitter that his aim was probably not to run it as a profitable going concern but to gain strategic control of a key communication channel for political ends. I feel like events since then have borne this take out. I'm not sure if you meant that DOGE was an attempt by Musk to wrest power from Trump; my view is taht their interests are more or less aligned and that the ultimate aim is to provide the executive with unlimited and direct control over the bureaucratic apparatus (rather than having to be compliant with union contracts, other contracts, federal rulemaking procedures, the administrative procedures act, etc, etc).
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > the fact of legal challenges might ultimately prove to be just a speedbump That’s a big “might.” Meanwhile, Musk is being smacked down in Cabinet meetings. > not sure if you meant that DOGE was an attempt by Musk to wrest power from Trump What your first article says. I disagree with that.
    - anigbrowl 2y ago
      I don't really think reports of fireworks in cabinet meetings are very significant. My yardstick is less how much camera time Musk gets vs whether the activities of his DOGE group are curtailed. My impression is that they're still running at close to full tilt.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> DOGE is both a coup and a decapitation strike It had the potential to be. It didn't wind up being one. The notion of Musk having influence over Trump now looks a bit silly. The decapitation is true, but that's MAGA, not DOGE. I'm genuinely split between DOGE being a (1) busywork/feel-good project to keep Musk from becoming a problem or (2) distraction so Trump could get his deficit-busting tax cuts and spending increases through. (If the latter, we should learn soon.)

anigbrowl 2y ago
I think you're being a bit previous - the fact of legal challenges might ultimately prove to be just a speedbump, and the MAGA crowd have made clear their belief in ignoring unfavorable legal judgements and directing blame for any constitutional crisis on the judicial officials. I said at the time that Musk bought Twitter that his aim was probably not to run it as a profitable going concern but to gain strategic control of a key communication channel for political ends. I feel like events since then have borne this take out. I'm not sure if you meant that DOGE was an attempt by Musk to wrest power from Trump; my view is taht their interests are more or less aligned and that the ultimate aim is to provide the executive with unlimited and direct control over the bureaucratic apparatus (rather than having to be compliant with union contracts, other contracts, federal rulemaking procedures, the administrative procedures act, etc, etc).
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > the fact of legal challenges might ultimately prove to be just a speedbump That’s a big “might.” Meanwhile, Musk is being smacked down in Cabinet meetings. > not sure if you meant that DOGE was an attempt by Musk to wrest power from Trump What your first article says. I disagree with that.
  - anigbrowl 2y ago
    I don't really think reports of fireworks in cabinet meetings are very significant. My yardstick is less how much camera time Musk gets vs whether the activities of his DOGE group are curtailed. My impression is that they're still running at close to full tilt.