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> having a smartphone is becoming a necessity for being a functional part of the society This is correct, as in some countries, you use your phone to authentic

by vv_ 2y ago

> having a smartphone is becoming a necessity for being a functional part of the society This is correct, as in some countries, you use your phone to authenticate access to banking applications and payments (e.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart-ID https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart-ID). However, I find it a bit of a stretch to claim that having iMessage access on a smartwatch is essential for being a functional member of society. Corporations will always take steps to ensure their profitability. Apple, for example, is incentivized to keep its systems locked down to maintain its ecosystem. There are likely other justifiable considerations behind these decisions. While laws exist to regulate what corporations can and cannot do, there should be a reasonable balance. That said, I don’t think this is a battle worth fighting - people can simply switch to an Android phone, which offers better support for a wider range of smartwatches.

NotPractical 2y ago
> people can simply switch to an Android phone Giving all your data to Google (an adtech company) is not an acceptable solution. Not to mention that it's incredibly difficult to leave the Apple ecosystem, by design.
- vv_ 2y ago
  Apple is bad. Google (Android) is bad. So what is the solution here for the common non-tech savvy smartphone user?
  - NotPractical 2y ago
    I would say that custom Android-based ROMs like GrapheneOS are the solution, but Google is actively sabotaging those with the Play Integrity API so I don't know if they will be usable by the average person in the long-term (unless Google is legally compelled to stop this). So honestly I think that legislation such as what's happening in the EU is the only solution. This includes investigating Google as well as Apple. I'm not a huge fan of legislation in general but the current state of mobile computing is depressingly bad right now. > However, I find it a bit of a stretch to claim that having iMessage access on a smartwatch is essential for being a functional member of society. Btw I agree here. Perhaps the EU is being a little too overbearing in some aspects, but most of it is good. I think in this case Pebble is trying to take advantage of the existing interoperability provisions, which are a general framework allowing devs to request access to certain functions. However the EU has said that they want to target smartwatches in particular which sounds like misplaced priority to me...
    - vv_ 2y ago
      > which sounds like misplaced priority to me Agreed.
- theshrike79 2y ago
  It's not easy to degoogle either. Just Youtube alone is next to impossible to get rid of.
shantara 2y ago
What I had in mind wasn’t iMessage, but the fact that banking and digital ID systems such as Danish MitID are increasingly being built with the assumption that everyone owns a smartphone. https://www.mitid.dk/en-gb/ https://www.mitid.dk/en-gb/
- vv_ 2y ago
  There is also a code reader version available: https://www.mitid.dk/en-gb/get-started-with-mitid/mitid-authenticators/mitid-code-display/ https://www.mitid.dk/en-gb/get-started-with-mitid/mitid-auth.... In Lithuania, similar systems for banking have existed for a long time—especially code generators—as a method of authentication. In recent years, they have been widely adopted across various platforms, particularly government services, as a login method. Essentially, it functions as a digital ID. What I originally meant was that I don’t see Apple’s reluctance to open up the iMessage ecosystem as an indication that they wouldn’t support a banking or government authentication system. I just don't understand the concern here.

by vv_ 2y ago

NotPractical 2y ago

> people can simply switch to an Android phone Giving all your data to Google (an adtech company) is not an acceptable solution. Not to mention that it's incredibly difficult to leave the Apple ecosystem, by design.

vv_ 2y ago
Apple is bad. Google (Android) is bad. So what is the solution here for the common non-tech savvy smartphone user?
- NotPractical 2y ago
  I would say that custom Android-based ROMs like GrapheneOS are the solution, but Google is actively sabotaging those with the Play Integrity API so I don't know if they will be usable by the average person in the long-term (unless Google is legally compelled to stop this). So honestly I think that legislation such as what's happening in the EU is the only solution. This includes investigating Google as well as Apple. I'm not a huge fan of legislation in general but the current state of mobile computing is depressingly bad right now. > However, I find it a bit of a stretch to claim that having iMessage access on a smartwatch is essential for being a functional member of society. Btw I agree here. Perhaps the EU is being a little too overbearing in some aspects, but most of it is good. I think in this case Pebble is trying to take advantage of the existing interoperability provisions, which are a general framework allowing devs to request access to certain functions. However the EU has said that they want to target smartwatches in particular which sounds like misplaced priority to me...
  - vv_ 2y ago
    > which sounds like misplaced priority to me Agreed.
theshrike79 2y ago
It's not easy to degoogle either. Just Youtube alone is next to impossible to get rid of.

shantara 2y ago

What I had in mind wasn’t iMessage, but the fact that banking and digital ID systems such as Danish MitID are increasingly being built with the assumption that everyone owns a smartphone. https://www.mitid.dk/en-gb/ https://www.mitid.dk/en-gb/

vv_ 2y ago
There is also a code reader version available: https://www.mitid.dk/en-gb/get-started-with-mitid/mitid-authenticators/mitid-code-display/ https://www.mitid.dk/en-gb/get-started-with-mitid/mitid-auth.... In Lithuania, similar systems for banking have existed for a long time—especially code generators—as a method of authentication. In recent years, they have been widely adopted across various platforms, particularly government services, as a login method. Essentially, it functions as a digital ID. What I originally meant was that I don’t see Apple’s reluctance to open up the iMessage ecosystem as an indication that they wouldn’t support a banking or government authentication system. I just don't understand the concern here.