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It’s part of the license agreement ASML signed to commercialize ultra violet lithography since the idea originated in Lawrence Livermore Labs research.

mytailorisrich 2y ago
Sure but even without this if the US told the Netherlands to jump they would. The US have a huge influence over the Netherlands economically, politically, and militarily (their airforce is a US hardware showroom, basically, which also highlights the political influence). Just the fact that some tech comes for Lawrence Livermore Labs shows that relations are "tight".
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > US have a huge influence over the Netherlands economically, politically, and militarily It's important to remember that this influence is a product of goodwill. (Wouldn't have thought I'd have to mention this a year ago...) The Dutch are beginning to decouple from America [1] because despite those economic and military ties, if it isn't supported politically and culturally, it's difficult to project. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43401487 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43401487
  - mytailorisrich 2y ago
    Why do people repeat and believe this "goodwill" propaganda? Countries don't behave out of goodwill, they do out of interests. Same as now. This "decoupling" angle is a product of interests in the EU "deep state", which sees an apportubity to do a power grab. Note how suddenly the EU tries to insert itself in military matters... and people buy it hook, line, and sinker, too.
fancyfredbot 2y ago
If you do business in the US as ASML does then it's a good idea to comply with sanctions. Otherwise they'll sanction you too. Would be interesting to see how that would work out for ASML specifically since US obviously wants their products. But I think it would be catastrophic for both sides if the US sanctioned ASML. Less catastrophic for ASML to comply. The US has successfully fined many EU companies for OFAC violations, for example. This is especially ridiculous because the EU actually required European companies NOT to comply with US sanctions on Iran. (Note that I don't think this specific restriction on selling fab equipment to comes comes from OFAC)
- throwaway5752 2y ago
  If you do business in the US as ASML does then it's a good idea to comply with sanctions. Otherwise they'll sanction you too. It only works until it does not, and it works less well if one does not abuse it. Maybe this administration will just make it more profitable and safer to ally with China at this rate. A number of countries will be making this decision in the next four years, and Americans very well may be disappointed.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    For what it's worth, Trump isn't unique in being sanctions happy. His drug of choice is tariffs, and those are more simply statutorily remedied by making IEEPA [1] actions subject to (a) a mandatory delay and (b) the CRA [2]. [1] https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R45618 https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R45618 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Review_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Review_Act
    - fancyfredbot 2y ago
      The Biden administration imposed the export controls which prevent ASML from shipping their EUV machines to China.
  - tonyhart7 2y ago
    "safer to ally with China at this rate" until china decide to conquer you politically,economically etc, well its same with US honestly but US atleast have functional democracy
    - groby_b 2y ago
      I think you underestimate how much the US has severed bridges in the last two months.
      - tonyhart7 2y ago
        Trump literally want the war to end unlike previous administration where the objective is fight to the last ukrainian

mytailorisrich 2y ago

Sure but even without this if the US told the Netherlands to jump they would. The US have a huge influence over the Netherlands economically, politically, and militarily (their airforce is a US hardware showroom, basically, which also highlights the political influence). Just the fact that some tech comes for Lawrence Livermore Labs shows that relations are "tight".

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> US have a huge influence over the Netherlands economically, politically, and militarily It's important to remember that this influence is a product of goodwill. (Wouldn't have thought I'd have to mention this a year ago...) The Dutch are beginning to decouple from America [1] because despite those economic and military ties, if it isn't supported politically and culturally, it's difficult to project. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43401487 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43401487
- mytailorisrich 2y ago
  Why do people repeat and believe this "goodwill" propaganda? Countries don't behave out of goodwill, they do out of interests. Same as now. This "decoupling" angle is a product of interests in the EU "deep state", which sees an apportubity to do a power grab. Note how suddenly the EU tries to insert itself in military matters... and people buy it hook, line, and sinker, too.

fancyfredbot 2y ago

If you do business in the US as ASML does then it's a good idea to comply with sanctions. Otherwise they'll sanction you too. Would be interesting to see how that would work out for ASML specifically since US obviously wants their products. But I think it would be catastrophic for both sides if the US sanctioned ASML. Less catastrophic for ASML to comply. The US has successfully fined many EU companies for OFAC violations, for example. This is especially ridiculous because the EU actually required European companies NOT to comply with US sanctions on Iran. (Note that I don't think this specific restriction on selling fab equipment to comes comes from OFAC)

throwaway5752 2y ago
If you do business in the US as ASML does then it's a good idea to comply with sanctions. Otherwise they'll sanction you too. It only works until it does not, and it works less well if one does not abuse it. Maybe this administration will just make it more profitable and safer to ally with China at this rate. A number of countries will be making this decision in the next four years, and Americans very well may be disappointed.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  For what it's worth, Trump isn't unique in being sanctions happy. His drug of choice is tariffs, and those are more simply statutorily remedied by making IEEPA [1] actions subject to (a) a mandatory delay and (b) the CRA [2]. [1] https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R45618 https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R45618 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Review_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Review_Act
  - fancyfredbot 2y ago
    The Biden administration imposed the export controls which prevent ASML from shipping their EUV machines to China.
- tonyhart7 2y ago
  "safer to ally with China at this rate" until china decide to conquer you politically,economically etc, well its same with US honestly but US atleast have functional democracy
  - groby_b 2y ago
    I think you underestimate how much the US has severed bridges in the last two months.
    - tonyhart7 2y ago
      Trump literally want the war to end unlike previous administration where the objective is fight to the last ukrainian