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Sounds like something that aims to to unlock the ability to use the military to go after the cartels on Mexican territory.

dragonwriter 2y ago
More importantly, its a tool to paint the fact that fentanyl is imported from Mexico as an actual attack and use it as a pretext for another domestic invocation of the Alien Enemies Act targeting people in America for arbitrary action without due process, after the one using Tren de Agua as the pretext. This, in turn, is a tool to try to advance Trump’s mass ethnic cleansing policy, without the case-by-case judicial oversight which it would otherwise be subject to.
- actionfromafar 2y ago
  Ding-ding. I think we have a winner. Venezuela was just a test. Seriously, a US president can order strikes abroad without a judge getting in the way. But for expelling people, then you need at least a pretense.
- dzhiurgis 2y ago
  Hate to say it, but it's a clear TDS... Do you think Mexican people enjoy living cartel life?
  - morkalork 2y ago
    The Iraqi people living under Saddam weren't so happy either but did that justify invasion on the false premise of WMDs and the resulting hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths? I'd be on board with your statement if another Republican hadn't already pulled the same dumb shit within my lifetime before..
    - dzhiurgis 2y ago
      What would have been a justifiable premise for invasion then?
      - geon 2y ago
        Actual WMDs?
        dzhiurgis 2y ago
        Life in Iraq before WMDs wasn't exactly paradise...
        ben_w 2y ago
        "wasn't exactly paradise" places the bar is so low it would justify invading Disneyland. Iraq gave up its WMD research programs in 1991, so the "before time" is 1962: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destr... "Doesn't have any WMDs" is also something I can say about Disneyland. But Disney World did get permission to build their own nuclear reactor: https://www.ans.org/news/article-6500/disney-world-should-have-gone-nuclear/ https://www.ans.org/news/article-6500/disney-world-should-ha...
  - maxerickson 2y ago
    My understanding is that they would like it if US people stopped giving the cartels huge sums of money to feed their drug habits. I'm not sure they want US military incursions.
  - dragonwriter 2y ago
    > Do you think Mexican people enjoy living cartel life? Whether Mexican people enjoy living “cartel life” is completely irrelevant, one way or the other, to the trends in the linkage between Trump's foreign policy rhetoric and domestic actions that I am talking about.
SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
Any nation that has even a whiff of fentanyl possibly coming across the border.
anigbrowl 2y ago
Yes, I would expect kinetic action (missiles and SOF) before very long. I also anticipate he'll continue to engage in political provocations of Canada in hopes of engineering some kind of diplomatic incident.
- thomassmith65 2y ago
  That seems less likely than annexing small parcels of land, bit by bit. If there's some Canadian farmland with a meth lab on it, I could see the American coast guard seizing it for 'national security' It would put Canada in an uncomfortable position since Canada hasn't had to worry about defending its border in anyone's lifetime.
  - maxerickson 2y ago
    Are they gonna sail a cutter into Edmonton then?
    - thomassmith65 2y ago
      It doesn't need to be Coast Guard, specifically, as long as it's a group people don't associate with war (eg: Forest Service, Law Enforcement, etc). A stand off between Canadian Mounties and American Park Rangers would result in fewer heart attacks than soldiers in army jeeps.
      - maxerickson 2y ago
        It's entertaining that you don't appear to think that any of this is insane.
        thomassmith65 2y ago
        It's all very stupid and dangerous. The prospect of the USA invading Canada is so spectacularly insane that people wrongly assume it can't happen.
p_ing 2y ago
Are we going to invade China? https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-03/DEA_GOV_DIR-008-20%20Fentanyl%20Flow%20in%20the%20United%20States_0.pdf https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-03/DEA_GOV_DIR-...
jjkaczor 2y ago
Mexican, "snow Mexican" (as us Canadian's are occasionally referred too as...) - who knows at this point...

dragonwriter 2y ago

More importantly, its a tool to paint the fact that fentanyl is imported from Mexico as an actual attack and use it as a pretext for another domestic invocation of the Alien Enemies Act targeting people in America for arbitrary action without due process, after the one using Tren de Agua as the pretext. This, in turn, is a tool to try to advance Trump’s mass ethnic cleansing policy, without the case-by-case judicial oversight which it would otherwise be subject to.

actionfromafar 2y ago
Ding-ding. I think we have a winner. Venezuela was just a test. Seriously, a US president can order strikes abroad without a judge getting in the way. But for expelling people, then you need at least a pretense.
dzhiurgis 2y ago
Hate to say it, but it's a clear TDS... Do you think Mexican people enjoy living cartel life?
- morkalork 2y ago
  The Iraqi people living under Saddam weren't so happy either but did that justify invasion on the false premise of WMDs and the resulting hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths? I'd be on board with your statement if another Republican hadn't already pulled the same dumb shit within my lifetime before..
  - dzhiurgis 2y ago
    What would have been a justifiable premise for invasion then?
    - geon 2y ago
      Actual WMDs?
      - dzhiurgis 2y ago
        Life in Iraq before WMDs wasn't exactly paradise...
        ben_w 2y ago
        "wasn't exactly paradise" places the bar is so low it would justify invading Disneyland. Iraq gave up its WMD research programs in 1991, so the "before time" is 1962: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destr... "Doesn't have any WMDs" is also something I can say about Disneyland. But Disney World did get permission to build their own nuclear reactor: https://www.ans.org/news/article-6500/disney-world-should-have-gone-nuclear/ https://www.ans.org/news/article-6500/disney-world-should-ha...
- maxerickson 2y ago
  My understanding is that they would like it if US people stopped giving the cartels huge sums of money to feed their drug habits. I'm not sure they want US military incursions.
- dragonwriter 2y ago
  > Do you think Mexican people enjoy living cartel life? Whether Mexican people enjoy living “cartel life” is completely irrelevant, one way or the other, to the trends in the linkage between Trump's foreign policy rhetoric and domestic actions that I am talking about.

SketchySeaBeast 2y ago

Any nation that has even a whiff of fentanyl possibly coming across the border.

anigbrowl 2y ago

Yes, I would expect kinetic action (missiles and SOF) before very long. I also anticipate he'll continue to engage in political provocations of Canada in hopes of engineering some kind of diplomatic incident.

thomassmith65 2y ago
That seems less likely than annexing small parcels of land, bit by bit. If there's some Canadian farmland with a meth lab on it, I could see the American coast guard seizing it for 'national security' It would put Canada in an uncomfortable position since Canada hasn't had to worry about defending its border in anyone's lifetime.
- maxerickson 2y ago
  Are they gonna sail a cutter into Edmonton then?
  - thomassmith65 2y ago
    It doesn't need to be Coast Guard, specifically, as long as it's a group people don't associate with war (eg: Forest Service, Law Enforcement, etc). A stand off between Canadian Mounties and American Park Rangers would result in fewer heart attacks than soldiers in army jeeps.
    - maxerickson 2y ago
      It's entertaining that you don't appear to think that any of this is insane.
      - thomassmith65 2y ago
        It's all very stupid and dangerous. The prospect of the USA invading Canada is so spectacularly insane that people wrongly assume it can't happen.

p_ing 2y ago

Are we going to invade China? https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-03/DEA_GOV_DIR-008-20%20Fentanyl%20Flow%20in%20the%20United%20States_0.pdf https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-03/DEA_GOV_DIR-...

jjkaczor 2y ago

Mexican, "snow Mexican" (as us Canadian's are occasionally referred too as...) - who knows at this point...