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My point was related to free speech, and these incidents are all infringing on it. Unless you don't consider censorship in the removal of these blogs, or simila

My point was related to free speech, and these incidents are all infringing on it. Unless you don't consider censorship in the removal of these blogs, or similar incidents, as attacks on free speech. I am censoring it to protect myself from repercussions. You might not be paying attention...

internetter 2y ago
Sure, there are a lot of concerning happenings related to free speech as of late. This particular article isn't one. The removal of content from a government website isn't in-of-itself a free speech issue
- MPSFounder 2y ago
  Except these are blog posts. They are not on the for-front of the gov. website. Why remove old posts that are critical of these companies? Why now? I truly believe those who are hit with censorship can look at it dead in the eye and attempt to rationalize it. Clearly the cited companies have donated to the current admin. And very clearly, actions like these are a testament to how far these donations got them. Here's a tip. I agree there are many incidents right now that are concerning. And perhaps, an isolated incident like this would not be of concern in any other time. But we are living in difficult times, and my point stands, given these incidents are not isolated. You cannot cherry pick issues you agree with and others you disagree with. If you are not concerned by all of these incidents, then your moral compass might be very different from mine.
  - internetter 2y ago
    Yes, I'm 100% in agreement that this is a small part in an incredibly concerning wave of information censorship, free speech infringements, ect. I was just pressing to see that connection made :)
    - MPSFounder 2y ago
      I might have gone too far off. I apologize, taking my anger on here is not constructive. I am just dumbfounded at some of the dots that are connecting, which are making me feel very uneasy. You are right, that if this was but an isolated incident, free speech would not be at stake. But not even 2 months into this administration, and some very concerning incidents made me uneasy.
- giraffe_lady 2y ago
  I don't think they made the point particularly well but I do understand their frustration. Semi-professional pedants can pare away context until each individual issue is isolated, unrelated to all the other problems, and so individually not that big a deal. But The Problem here is a powerful far right movement has seized control of the american government and is dismantling all the parts of it that don't serve their neosegregationist policy goals, while they use anything they can as a weapon against their enemies. Those other problems they mentioned are also this problem. There's really only one problem, though it is a very large one. But talking about each of these details as if they are somehow smaller problems that can be solved independently is foolish.
  - internetter 2y ago
    > I don't think they made the point particularly well but I do understand their frustration. Sure. I was mostly just nudging them towards an argument that fits within the context of the article
ziddoap 2y ago
>I am censoring it to protect myself from repercussions. You might not be paying attention... Just a note that if everyone here knows you mean Israel when you type "Isra-l" (and Jewish when you type "Jewi-sh"), so does whoever you believe to be protecting yourself from. Self-censoring is giving in.

internetter 2y ago

Sure, there are a lot of concerning happenings related to free speech as of late. This particular article isn't one. The removal of content from a government website isn't in-of-itself a free speech issue

MPSFounder 2y ago
Except these are blog posts. They are not on the for-front of the gov. website. Why remove old posts that are critical of these companies? Why now? I truly believe those who are hit with censorship can look at it dead in the eye and attempt to rationalize it. Clearly the cited companies have donated to the current admin. And very clearly, actions like these are a testament to how far these donations got them. Here's a tip. I agree there are many incidents right now that are concerning. And perhaps, an isolated incident like this would not be of concern in any other time. But we are living in difficult times, and my point stands, given these incidents are not isolated. You cannot cherry pick issues you agree with and others you disagree with. If you are not concerned by all of these incidents, then your moral compass might be very different from mine.
- internetter 2y ago
  Yes, I'm 100% in agreement that this is a small part in an incredibly concerning wave of information censorship, free speech infringements, ect. I was just pressing to see that connection made :)
  - MPSFounder 2y ago
    I might have gone too far off. I apologize, taking my anger on here is not constructive. I am just dumbfounded at some of the dots that are connecting, which are making me feel very uneasy. You are right, that if this was but an isolated incident, free speech would not be at stake. But not even 2 months into this administration, and some very concerning incidents made me uneasy.
giraffe_lady 2y ago
I don't think they made the point particularly well but I do understand their frustration. Semi-professional pedants can pare away context until each individual issue is isolated, unrelated to all the other problems, and so individually not that big a deal. But The Problem here is a powerful far right movement has seized control of the american government and is dismantling all the parts of it that don't serve their neosegregationist policy goals, while they use anything they can as a weapon against their enemies. Those other problems they mentioned are also this problem. There's really only one problem, though it is a very large one. But talking about each of these details as if they are somehow smaller problems that can be solved independently is foolish.
- internetter 2y ago
  > I don't think they made the point particularly well but I do understand their frustration. Sure. I was mostly just nudging them towards an argument that fits within the context of the article

ziddoap 2y ago

>I am censoring it to protect myself from repercussions. You might not be paying attention... Just a note that if everyone here knows you mean Israel when you type "Isra-l" (and Jewish when you type "Jewi-sh"), so does whoever you believe to be protecting yourself from. Self-censoring is giving in.