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Am I right to understand this is signaling an end to the FTC, or at least on what concerns it harnessing the will of the tech giants?

by soco 2y ago

fa66otki77er 2y ago
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JohnFen 2y ago
That's the message I got from it.
bearjaws 2y ago
Thats not really planned in Project 2025, more likely any large tech company that bent the knee to Trump will be exempt, but we shall see. At the same time, the document discusses how large tech companies influence politics, and can harm individuals. > Conservative approaches to antitrust and consumer protection continue to trust markets, not government, to give people what they want and provide the prosperity and material resources Americans need for flourishing, productive, and meaningful lives. > At the same time, conservatives cannot be blind to certain developments in the American economy that appear to make government–private sector collusion more likely, threaten vital democratic institutions, such as free speech, and threaten the happiness and mental well-being of many Americans, particularly children. Many, but not all, conservatives believe that these develop- ments may warrant the FTC’s making a careful recalibration of certain aspects of antitrust and consumer protection law and enforcement. https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHAPTER-30.pdf https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHA...
- cantrecallmypwd 2y ago
  There's a conflict between destroying all government, corrupting it for personal gain by a given elected official, and corrupting it to serve a given owner of a given megacorp. Somewhere along the way ethics, morals, truth, and serving We the People was lost.
  - warkdarrior 2y ago
    How much did you donate to the Trump campaign? Shouldn't the Trump administration serve their supporters? Shouldn't they pay more attention to the supporters who support them more (in $$)?
    - cogman10 2y ago
      Unless you are giving trump literally millions of dollars, that doesn't matter. How much he cares about your opinion is directly proportional to the money you give and could give him. When competing with a billionaire, 0 -> $100,000 is basically meaningless.
      - rqtwteye 2y ago
        That's the MO of both parties in the US. During the last campaign the Democrats bombarded me with E-mails begging for money. They never asked for my opinion and never mentioned anything they were planning to do. The message was "Vote for me or the world will go under"
    - gopher_space 2y ago
      Keep going until you hit “no taxation without representation” and you will have come full circle. The US needs California. California does not need the US.
    - Tostino 2y ago
      Sorry, he's not president of the Republicans... He's president of the United States, and should be serving everyone in the country to the best of his ability. If you're not being sarcastic, that's a really wild belief you have...and I'm really hoping it's not widespread.
      - rqtwteye 2y ago
        "serving everyone in the country" That's long over. Whoever wins by 1% believes they have the mandate to only cater to their constituents (which is mostly wealthy donors)
- lenerdenator 2y ago
  > At the same time, conservatives cannot be blind to certain developments in the American economy that appear to make government–private sector collusion more likely, threaten vital democratic institutions, such as free speech, and threaten the happiness and mental well-being of many Americans, particularly children. Many, but not all, conservatives believe that these develop- ments may warrant the FTC’s making a careful recalibration of certain aspects of antitrust and consumer protection law and enforcement. That's a CYA if I've ever seen one. They couldn't care less about government-private sector collusion. It's literally the dream of the tech Neo-feudalist crowd. Before the idea of "private property" came about in Enlightenment-era England, some guy owned everything, and the commoners labored for his enrichment. Since capitalism - at least as we've interpreted it in America - means consolidation of massively-capitalized corporations which control more numerous and diverse markets, that's kind of the endgame when one removes the ability of the government to stop such consolidation. The question is, if nothing is done, who will it be?
breadwinner 2y ago
Not just FTC. The CFPB, USAID, NHS, Department of Education, Research funding to colleges, the list goes on. Anything Elon Musk has no use for is getting shut down.
- bagels 2y ago
  It's not just "has no use for", but he's seeking revenge for being regulated. FTC for telling him he can't do securities fraud, FAA & FCC for telling him he has to launch rockets responsibly, etc.
  - warkdarrior 2y ago
    He paid good money to the Trump campaign, and this investment is now paying off. Thank you for your vote!
danielmarkbruce 2y ago
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- Tostino 2y ago
  Funny, while there were a couple of things I may not have loved...the vast majority of her enforcement actions I thought were quite good for the average American. Heck, the enforcement on banking fees alone was huge for the average person.

Am I right to understand this is signaling an end to the FTC, or at least on what concerns it harnessing the will of the tech giants?

by soco 2y ago

Am I right to understand this is signaling an end to the FTC, or at least on what concerns it harnessing the will of the tech giants?

fa66otki77er 2y ago

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JohnFen 2y ago

That's the message I got from it.

bearjaws 2y ago

Thats not really planned in Project 2025, more likely any large tech company that bent the knee to Trump will be exempt, but we shall see. At the same time, the document discusses how large tech companies influence politics, and can harm individuals. > Conservative approaches to antitrust and consumer protection continue to trust markets, not government, to give people what they want and provide the prosperity and material resources Americans need for flourishing, productive, and meaningful lives. > At the same time, conservatives cannot be blind to certain developments in the American economy that appear to make government–private sector collusion more likely, threaten vital democratic institutions, such as free speech, and threaten the happiness and mental well-being of many Americans, particularly children. Many, but not all, conservatives believe that these develop- ments may warrant the FTC’s making a careful recalibration of certain aspects of antitrust and consumer protection law and enforcement. https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHAPTER-30.pdf https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHA...

cantrecallmypwd 2y ago
There's a conflict between destroying all government, corrupting it for personal gain by a given elected official, and corrupting it to serve a given owner of a given megacorp. Somewhere along the way ethics, morals, truth, and serving We the People was lost.
- warkdarrior 2y ago
  How much did you donate to the Trump campaign? Shouldn't the Trump administration serve their supporters? Shouldn't they pay more attention to the supporters who support them more (in $$)?
  - cogman10 2y ago
    Unless you are giving trump literally millions of dollars, that doesn't matter. How much he cares about your opinion is directly proportional to the money you give and could give him. When competing with a billionaire, 0 -> $100,000 is basically meaningless.
    - rqtwteye 2y ago
      That's the MO of both parties in the US. During the last campaign the Democrats bombarded me with E-mails begging for money. They never asked for my opinion and never mentioned anything they were planning to do. The message was "Vote for me or the world will go under"
  - gopher_space 2y ago
    Keep going until you hit “no taxation without representation” and you will have come full circle. The US needs California. California does not need the US.
  - Tostino 2y ago
    Sorry, he's not president of the Republicans... He's president of the United States, and should be serving everyone in the country to the best of his ability. If you're not being sarcastic, that's a really wild belief you have...and I'm really hoping it's not widespread.
    - rqtwteye 2y ago
      "serving everyone in the country" That's long over. Whoever wins by 1% believes they have the mandate to only cater to their constituents (which is mostly wealthy donors)
lenerdenator 2y ago
> At the same time, conservatives cannot be blind to certain developments in the American economy that appear to make government–private sector collusion more likely, threaten vital democratic institutions, such as free speech, and threaten the happiness and mental well-being of many Americans, particularly children. Many, but not all, conservatives believe that these develop- ments may warrant the FTC’s making a careful recalibration of certain aspects of antitrust and consumer protection law and enforcement. That's a CYA if I've ever seen one. They couldn't care less about government-private sector collusion. It's literally the dream of the tech Neo-feudalist crowd. Before the idea of "private property" came about in Enlightenment-era England, some guy owned everything, and the commoners labored for his enrichment. Since capitalism - at least as we've interpreted it in America - means consolidation of massively-capitalized corporations which control more numerous and diverse markets, that's kind of the endgame when one removes the ability of the government to stop such consolidation. The question is, if nothing is done, who will it be?

breadwinner 2y ago

Not just FTC. The CFPB, USAID, NHS, Department of Education, Research funding to colleges, the list goes on. Anything Elon Musk has no use for is getting shut down.

bagels 2y ago
It's not just "has no use for", but he's seeking revenge for being regulated. FTC for telling him he can't do securities fraud, FAA & FCC for telling him he has to launch rockets responsibly, etc.
- warkdarrior 2y ago
  He paid good money to the Trump campaign, and this investment is now paying off. Thank you for your vote!

danielmarkbruce 2y ago

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Tostino 2y ago
Funny, while there were a couple of things I may not have loved...the vast majority of her enforcement actions I thought were quite good for the average American. Heck, the enforcement on banking fees alone was huge for the average person.