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Yes, you could. It's indeed troubling to see this mindset on HN. We have an overflow of professional "explainers" these days, we need more doers and fighters.

2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
The "hackers" grew up and made money. Don't rock the boat!
frollogaston 2y ago
If you want to do and fight, use Linux. Apple made their intentions clear decades ago.
- _aavaa_ 2y ago
  Better than voting with your wallet is voting with your vote and getting regulations in place.
  - macrocosmos 2y ago
    You state that as if it is fact despite there being no evidence to support that viewpoint.
    - frollogaston 2y ago
      Please don't "source?" this, it's just a viewpoint.
      - deleted 2y ago
        [deleted]
      - macrocosmos 2y ago
        We’re in agreement that it is a viewpoint. I think it’s bad for productive conversation to state viewpoints as absolute facts that everyone else holds.
        frollogaston 2y ago
        Then I'm guilty of this too.
    - _aavaa_ 2y ago
      Emphasizing voting with your wallet means those with the most money dictate how things work. Google and Apple vote with their wallet all the time. When they’re buying competitors, buying preferential treatment for each other, and buying law makers and regulators. We aren’t going to out bid them on any of these things. We have to make it illegal, and vote in people who will enforce the laws.
    - shakna 2y ago
      Is not the EU's regulations largely successful? Some have underestimated maliscious compliance, but for most.
      - nickff 2y ago
        It depends on how you define success; the EU has certainly managed to achieve a great deal of standardization and compliance, at the cost of rate of progress and business model innovation. You might think this is a worthwhile trade off, but people differ in their priorities.
        shakna 2y ago
        Fewer deaths, higher quality of life, more job security. Seems like for the average person, the trade off is well worth it.
        _aavaa_ 2y ago
        > business model innovation The OpenAI grift, the Facebook & Google stalking advertising, the Uber “independent contractors”, and the Amazon two-for of workers pissing in bottles and squeezing your suppliers so prices rise everywhere. Yes, what a loss for the EU.
        realusername 2y ago
        Citations needed. The DSA never applied to a single EU company and GDPR is the bare minimum on user privacy. And by the time the EU attempted any of those, we already had the duopoly and the competition was already dead.
        Defletter 2y ago
        > at the cost of rate of progress and business model innovation That's a pretty massive claim. Do you have any examples of this?
        frollogaston 2y ago
        Their entire tech sector compared to the US or China
- liquid_thyme 2y ago
  Sure, but I hope you recognize that it is possible to do two things at once. Corporations have pressure points and there are a myriad of ways to contribute to the overall progress that each one wants to see for themselves.
lanyard-textile 2y ago
Oh whatever :P Don’t be condescending about a mindset you don’t experience yourself. I ran debian as my daily driver for like half my life; now I’m on mac and never have to worry about my friggin wifi driver.
- dingnuts 2y ago
  I haven't had a problem with my Wi-Fi in Linux since 2006, what are you on about?
  - rasmus-kirk 2y ago
    Yeah, I'm running PopOS woth minimal issues and have been doing so for 5 years. The only issues I have is that they built it on a jank stack of Gnome, but they're fixing that at this moment. It sounds like a lot of the "I used to use Linux, but nothing worked" crowd are either previous Arch-users (no shit you had to do everything manually) or older folks.
  - underdeserver 2y ago
    You're squarely in the minority, mate.
    - kraf 2y ago
      Nah he's not. Stuff has been pretty stable, impressively so. Especially if you keep to certain hardware options which Apple users also accept.
  - Defletter 2y ago
    Congrats? I've personally experienced driver issues on my laptop and desktop, both from the hardware being too new for the kernel (or at least the version being used by that distro), within the past two years. And this is LMDE, not some fringe one-man fork.
    - Aachen 2y ago
      If we want to pile anecdotes, it just works for me as well. The most recent driver problem I had was Windows, needed to preload something during the installer to get it to recognise hard drives in proxmox working if I remember correctly, and that's not even speaking of printer problems on Windows compared to the seamless integration they now seem to have on Debian (or is my desktop environment responsible for that? Not sure, I'm not super deep into Linux stuff)
maccard 2y ago
If you want an alternative, android exists. I actively want a tightly integrated system that I know works well together. I don’t want to worry “does this device really work with this other device, even if it says it’s compatible” which was a constant source of issues I had on Android. Your desire for Apple to become an open system removes my choice to opt into a closed ecosystem, when you already have an open ecosystem to play in.
- liquid_thyme 2y ago
  >I actively want a tightly integrated system that I know works well together. I don’t want to worry “does this device really work with this other device, even if it says it’s compatible” which was a constant source of issues I had on Android. Yeah, I mean Linux is an abject failure, nothing ever works or runs on it. Nobody needs open data formats or open protocols for interoperability. Binary blobs for the win! /s >Your desire for Apple to become an open system removes my choice to opt into a closed ecosystem, when you already have an open ecosystem to play in. Don't worry, it's easy to lock down any open system and we can give you that should you desire it.
  - maccard 2y ago
    I don’t think this comment is in good faith. I gave you a reasonable viewpoint and you just dunked on me with snark. >, I mean Linux is an abject failure, nothing ever works or runs on it. Nobody needs open data formats or open protocols for interoperability. Binary blobs for the win! /s I didn’t say anything of the sort. I said I actively choose a “more closed” ecosystem. Linux has similar problems IMO - “I want to buy a GPU” shouldn’t come with trying to figure out whether the device drivers will actually work, to me. If you want that, you have that choice. > Don't worry, it's easy to lock down any open system and we can give you that should you desire it. Only within the constraints of what you want which is that everything should adhere to a standard and be interoperable. Which, again, as I said you can have on android. Go buy a pixel phone, and a samsung watch and see how good the experience is. I’ll say this again - there are open ecosystem alternatives for you out there, in android. Some people, even technical people, are ok with a smaller ecosystem knowing that there is lock in. If you don’t want that, don’t use it. But if you push your choices on me, you restrict my options and remove my preferred platform to have one more platform you want

2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago

The "hackers" grew up and made money. Don't rock the boat!

frollogaston 2y ago

If you want to do and fight, use Linux. Apple made their intentions clear decades ago.

_aavaa_ 2y ago
Better than voting with your wallet is voting with your vote and getting regulations in place.
- macrocosmos 2y ago
  You state that as if it is fact despite there being no evidence to support that viewpoint.
  - frollogaston 2y ago
    Please don't "source?" this, it's just a viewpoint.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
    - macrocosmos 2y ago
      We’re in agreement that it is a viewpoint. I think it’s bad for productive conversation to state viewpoints as absolute facts that everyone else holds.
      - frollogaston 2y ago
        Then I'm guilty of this too.
  - _aavaa_ 2y ago
    Emphasizing voting with your wallet means those with the most money dictate how things work. Google and Apple vote with their wallet all the time. When they’re buying competitors, buying preferential treatment for each other, and buying law makers and regulators. We aren’t going to out bid them on any of these things. We have to make it illegal, and vote in people who will enforce the laws.
  - shakna 2y ago
    Is not the EU's regulations largely successful? Some have underestimated maliscious compliance, but for most.
    - nickff 2y ago
      It depends on how you define success; the EU has certainly managed to achieve a great deal of standardization and compliance, at the cost of rate of progress and business model innovation. You might think this is a worthwhile trade off, but people differ in their priorities.
      - shakna 2y ago
        Fewer deaths, higher quality of life, more job security. Seems like for the average person, the trade off is well worth it.
      - _aavaa_ 2y ago
        > business model innovation The OpenAI grift, the Facebook & Google stalking advertising, the Uber “independent contractors”, and the Amazon two-for of workers pissing in bottles and squeezing your suppliers so prices rise everywhere. Yes, what a loss for the EU.
      - realusername 2y ago
        Citations needed. The DSA never applied to a single EU company and GDPR is the bare minimum on user privacy. And by the time the EU attempted any of those, we already had the duopoly and the competition was already dead.
      - Defletter 2y ago
        > at the cost of rate of progress and business model innovation That's a pretty massive claim. Do you have any examples of this?
        frollogaston 2y ago
        Their entire tech sector compared to the US or China
liquid_thyme 2y ago
Sure, but I hope you recognize that it is possible to do two things at once. Corporations have pressure points and there are a myriad of ways to contribute to the overall progress that each one wants to see for themselves.

lanyard-textile 2y ago

Oh whatever :P Don’t be condescending about a mindset you don’t experience yourself. I ran debian as my daily driver for like half my life; now I’m on mac and never have to worry about my friggin wifi driver.

dingnuts 2y ago
I haven't had a problem with my Wi-Fi in Linux since 2006, what are you on about?
- rasmus-kirk 2y ago
  Yeah, I'm running PopOS woth minimal issues and have been doing so for 5 years. The only issues I have is that they built it on a jank stack of Gnome, but they're fixing that at this moment. It sounds like a lot of the "I used to use Linux, but nothing worked" crowd are either previous Arch-users (no shit you had to do everything manually) or older folks.
- underdeserver 2y ago
  You're squarely in the minority, mate.
  - kraf 2y ago
    Nah he's not. Stuff has been pretty stable, impressively so. Especially if you keep to certain hardware options which Apple users also accept.
- Defletter 2y ago
  Congrats? I've personally experienced driver issues on my laptop and desktop, both from the hardware being too new for the kernel (or at least the version being used by that distro), within the past two years. And this is LMDE, not some fringe one-man fork.
  - Aachen 2y ago
    If we want to pile anecdotes, it just works for me as well. The most recent driver problem I had was Windows, needed to preload something during the installer to get it to recognise hard drives in proxmox working if I remember correctly, and that's not even speaking of printer problems on Windows compared to the seamless integration they now seem to have on Debian (or is my desktop environment responsible for that? Not sure, I'm not super deep into Linux stuff)

maccard 2y ago

If you want an alternative, android exists. I actively want a tightly integrated system that I know works well together. I don’t want to worry “does this device really work with this other device, even if it says it’s compatible” which was a constant source of issues I had on Android. Your desire for Apple to become an open system removes my choice to opt into a closed ecosystem, when you already have an open ecosystem to play in.

liquid_thyme 2y ago
>I actively want a tightly integrated system that I know works well together. I don’t want to worry “does this device really work with this other device, even if it says it’s compatible” which was a constant source of issues I had on Android. Yeah, I mean Linux is an abject failure, nothing ever works or runs on it. Nobody needs open data formats or open protocols for interoperability. Binary blobs for the win! /s >Your desire for Apple to become an open system removes my choice to opt into a closed ecosystem, when you already have an open ecosystem to play in. Don't worry, it's easy to lock down any open system and we can give you that should you desire it.
- maccard 2y ago
  I don’t think this comment is in good faith. I gave you a reasonable viewpoint and you just dunked on me with snark. >, I mean Linux is an abject failure, nothing ever works or runs on it. Nobody needs open data formats or open protocols for interoperability. Binary blobs for the win! /s I didn’t say anything of the sort. I said I actively choose a “more closed” ecosystem. Linux has similar problems IMO - “I want to buy a GPU” shouldn’t come with trying to figure out whether the device drivers will actually work, to me. If you want that, you have that choice. > Don't worry, it's easy to lock down any open system and we can give you that should you desire it. Only within the constraints of what you want which is that everything should adhere to a standard and be interoperable. Which, again, as I said you can have on android. Go buy a pixel phone, and a samsung watch and see how good the experience is. I’ll say this again - there are open ecosystem alternatives for you out there, in android. Some people, even technical people, are ok with a smaller ecosystem knowing that there is lock in. If you don’t want that, don’t use it. But if you push your choices on me, you restrict my options and remove my preferred platform to have one more platform you want