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> It is not so mossad-y. Would we (i.e. anyone not in the intelligence space) know how intelligence service-y software would look like ? . Aren't all such orga

> It is not so mossad-y. Would we (i.e. anyone not in the intelligence space) know how intelligence service-y software would look like ? . Aren't all such organizations trained and designed to be inconspicuous and in places we are unlikely to expect.

alephnerd 2y ago
Mossad aren't the guys doing cyber ops in Israel. They're suave arsim (how else can you blend in Beirut or Tehran). Also, if you've worked with Israeli government cybersecurity teams, they aren't much different in caliber from the kind you'd find at the NSA, GCHQ, or Netherlands.
- manquer 2y ago
  > they aren't much different .. NSA, GCHQ, or Netherlands I (and most here) wouldn't really know what that caliber is in these other organizations either to compare What we do hear is of how the Hubble's tech stack is hand me down previous gen(i.e. 70s) spy satellites or exploits like Stuxnet, Pegasus or the recent pager supply chain attacks. On pure technical level those are all pretty impressive things well beyond what I or even anyone I may personally know do. There of course is definitely certain amount of propaganda that would project much higher capability than reality, being mindful of that misdirection and the visible evidence, we civilians can only reasonably conclude that we will never have a clue what these organizations can or cannot actually do.
- someperson 2y ago
  > They're suave arsim (how else can you blend in Beirut or Tehran). To save others looking up what 'suave arsim' meant: 1. suave -- a normal English the word for charming/confident 2. "arsim" [1] -- apparently a former ethnic slur for Mizrahi Jews [2] now repurposed to mean crude, loud and brash (which sound to me like the equivalent of the British slang term 'chav'). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ars_(slang) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ars_(slang) [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews
  - alephnerd 2y ago
    It was a bad attempt at humor, but pretty much my point is there are a couple other cybersecurity/sigint specific units unrelated to Mossad. And "arsim" isn't as loaded a term anymore - everyone is mixed in Israel now because it's a melting pot. And saying "Mossad"-this/"Mossad"-that just feels like it's increasingly being used as a dogwhistle.
    - posterguy 2y ago
      I mean, it is used as a substitution for 'Israel', but I don't see how that's a dogwhistle. Or do you mean antisemitic?
- myth_drannon 2y ago
  I think you just watched Asi Cohen skit https://youtu.be/bN-en_7KGT8?si=xqhHaa9lBXpjntEq https://youtu.be/bN-en_7KGT8?si=xqhHaa9lBXpjntEq
  - alephnerd 2y ago
    I actually didn't see this before, but that is absolute gold - Asi Cohen is a national treasure (and absolutely a suave arsim XD)
- FuriouslyAdrift 2y ago
  Unit 8200 is cyber ops and the main people of this company are all from that unit. https://undercodenews.com/from-idf-intelligence-to-a-2b-google-deal-the-wiz-founders-epic-journey/ https://undercodenews.com/from-idf-intelligence-to-a-2b-goog... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_8200 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_8200
  - alephnerd 2y ago
    There are a couple other units beyond 8200. A lot of the 8200 hype is just hype though, because Gili Ranaan and Shlomo Kramer became billionaires earlier than alumni from the other cyber units.
    - FuriouslyAdrift 2y ago
      81 is other one I am familiar with but I believe they focus on OSINT
debarshri 2y ago
We would actually. Lot of the intelligence orgs. use COTS these days.
jamesfinlayson 2y ago
Ghidra from the NSA at a glance looks and feels like normal software. AquaSec is built by an Isreali company and looks and feels much like any other SaaS product.

alephnerd 2y ago

Mossad aren't the guys doing cyber ops in Israel. They're suave arsim (how else can you blend in Beirut or Tehran). Also, if you've worked with Israeli government cybersecurity teams, they aren't much different in caliber from the kind you'd find at the NSA, GCHQ, or Netherlands.

manquer 2y ago
> they aren't much different .. NSA, GCHQ, or Netherlands I (and most here) wouldn't really know what that caliber is in these other organizations either to compare What we do hear is of how the Hubble's tech stack is hand me down previous gen(i.e. 70s) spy satellites or exploits like Stuxnet, Pegasus or the recent pager supply chain attacks. On pure technical level those are all pretty impressive things well beyond what I or even anyone I may personally know do. There of course is definitely certain amount of propaganda that would project much higher capability than reality, being mindful of that misdirection and the visible evidence, we civilians can only reasonably conclude that we will never have a clue what these organizations can or cannot actually do.
someperson 2y ago
> They're suave arsim (how else can you blend in Beirut or Tehran). To save others looking up what 'suave arsim' meant: 1. suave -- a normal English the word for charming/confident 2. "arsim" [1] -- apparently a former ethnic slur for Mizrahi Jews [2] now repurposed to mean crude, loud and brash (which sound to me like the equivalent of the British slang term 'chav'). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ars_(slang) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ars_(slang) [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews
- alephnerd 2y ago
  It was a bad attempt at humor, but pretty much my point is there are a couple other cybersecurity/sigint specific units unrelated to Mossad. And "arsim" isn't as loaded a term anymore - everyone is mixed in Israel now because it's a melting pot. And saying "Mossad"-this/"Mossad"-that just feels like it's increasingly being used as a dogwhistle.
  - posterguy 2y ago
    I mean, it is used as a substitution for 'Israel', but I don't see how that's a dogwhistle. Or do you mean antisemitic?
myth_drannon 2y ago
I think you just watched Asi Cohen skit https://youtu.be/bN-en_7KGT8?si=xqhHaa9lBXpjntEq https://youtu.be/bN-en_7KGT8?si=xqhHaa9lBXpjntEq
- alephnerd 2y ago
  I actually didn't see this before, but that is absolute gold - Asi Cohen is a national treasure (and absolutely a suave arsim XD)
FuriouslyAdrift 2y ago
Unit 8200 is cyber ops and the main people of this company are all from that unit. https://undercodenews.com/from-idf-intelligence-to-a-2b-google-deal-the-wiz-founders-epic-journey/ https://undercodenews.com/from-idf-intelligence-to-a-2b-goog... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_8200 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_8200
- alephnerd 2y ago
  There are a couple other units beyond 8200. A lot of the 8200 hype is just hype though, because Gili Ranaan and Shlomo Kramer became billionaires earlier than alumni from the other cyber units.
  - FuriouslyAdrift 2y ago
    81 is other one I am familiar with but I believe they focus on OSINT

debarshri 2y ago

We would actually. Lot of the intelligence orgs. use COTS these days.

jamesfinlayson 2y ago

Ghidra from the NSA at a glance looks and feels like normal software. AquaSec is built by an Isreali company and looks and feels much like any other SaaS product.