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PeerTube v7.1 Is Out

179 points by voxadam 2y ago

flas9sd 2y ago
> .. improves support for Podcast 2.0, allowing users to subscribe to channels and play the video audio stream (if available) using classic podcast applications that refers to https://podcasting2.org/podcast-namespace https://podcasting2.org/podcast-namespace A youtube channel url provides a rss link too, but it's not advertised much and you need a player that can extract the audio stream. I often yt-dl the audio from talks/interviews, but it could be easier. The v7 interface came out nice, for examples see https://instances.joinpeertube.org/instances?sort=-version&page=1 https://instances.joinpeertube.org/instances?sort=-version&p...
- charcircuit 2y ago
  The rss feed provides a link that you can open in a web browser to play the video. You don't need a tool to extract it.
  - teraflop 2y ago
    You do if you want to use a podcast player application, which is what the comment you're replying to is talking about.
- StevenNunez 2y ago
  Kind of a pain to find but it's essentially `https://www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?channel_id=UCY1kMZp36IQSyNx_9h4mpCg https://www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?channel_id=UCY1kMZp...` and you swap out the channel ID. To find the channel ID: 1. Visit the creator's page 2. Click on `more` for the full description 3. Scroll down to `Share Channel` 4. Click and copy Channel ID A bit of a pain but I'm glad I know this now!
  - flas9sd 2y ago
    a quick shortcut flow in a browser on the youtube channel page (a click below the video title): ctrl+u ctrl+f "rss+x" -> shows a click+copyable video.xml link I understand people being pleased to learn this, for me the peertube announcement was learning about p2, as it's been around a few years already. alternateEnclosure is a real gem in the p2 rss spec, the thing that makes multiple channels and alternative formats/codecs/resolutions work.
- presto8 2y ago
  This bookmarklet will show the RSS feed URL in an alert window: Original Source: https://webapps.stackexchange.com/a/116549 https://webapps.stackexchange.com/a/116549 javascript: (() => { for (var arrScripts = document.getElementsByTagName('script'), i = 0; i < arrScripts.length; i++) { if (arrScripts[i].textContent.indexOf('externalId') != -1) { var channelId = arrScripts[i].textContent.match(/\"externalId\"\s*\:\s*\"(.*?)\"/)[1]; var channelRss = 'https://www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?channel_id=' + channelId; var channelTitle = document.title.match(/$?\d*$?\s?(.*?)\s\-\sYouTube/)[1]; alert('The rss feed of the channel \'' + channelTitle + '\' is:\n' + channelRss); break; } } })();
  - extra88 2y ago
    The script doesn't work anymore, `externalId` is no longer found in the page source. That's okay, I've found a regular type="application/rss+xml" <link> is in the page head of YouTube channel pages but only if you load that page directly; if you follow links within the site to the channel page, it's an SPA and you don't get the channel URL's <link> elements. The channel page also has a <link rel="canonical" …> and that URL ends with the channel ID, even if it has an `@` handle.
admiralrohan 2y ago
Why didn't I hear about this earlier? Strange.
- riffic 2y ago
  The 7.1 version was just released today.
- iLoveOncall 2y ago
  In summary: because it sucks. All the software from FramaSoft is built from the point of view that "FOSS" is all they need and they can ignore everything else. This means that the UX for all of their tools is not just subpar compared to alternatives, it is borderline unusable. Peertube specifically is unusable, has no content and has no incentive for content creators.
  - liotier 2y ago
    > Peertube specifically is unusable, has no content and has no incentive for content creators Peertube users do not need content nor incentives: they just want to publish their videos and post links to them to their audience. My photo gallery doesn't need content nor incentives for content creators either... I supply the content and my content creator incentive is showing my vacation pictures to my friends !
    - iLoveOncall 2y ago
      PeerTube is specifically advertised as a YouTube replacement.
      - Beretta_Vexee 2y ago
        It's presented as an alternative to youtube for current Framasoft members and users. It's meant to be understood as “Don't put faculty course videos on youtube, which you can't necessarily rely on if the subject is sensitive, put it on your college or association's PeerTube server.” Framasoft is originally a non-commercial association of French academics. They have no desire to replace youtube for music videos, unboxing and Minecraft lives.
blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
I like the idea of a decentralized Google free YouTube. But I find these posts about PeerTube, Frama, Mastodon, protocols, etc just very confusing. And it’s hard to understand how everyday people can use this platform or it is even meant for that. Years after first hearing of this, it has gone nowhere. I know this is a negative take but does someone have an explanation or an understanding of whether this project means anything from a practical standpoint?
- butz 2y ago
  Some youtubers are posting their videos to Peertube based video sites, like makertube.net , tilvids.com , tinkerbetter.tube , just to name a few. Please share your favorite Peertube instances. Sure, there are way less videos to choose from compared to youtube, but that leaves more time for productivity or for time away from the screen.
- liotier 2y ago
  > it’s hard to understand how everyday people can use this platform Because they are not platforms: they are software, free to use. Their audience is systems administrators, not users. Either the user is it's own systems administrator, or someone else has to do it... And in any case there is infrastructure to be paid for. Most users currently prefer someone else to do it and the price to be the watching of advertisements. I believe a sweet halfway point is hosting cooperatives - not free of cost, but delivering user-control at a reasonable cost to users who do not wish to take on the burden of sysadmining.
- chneu 2y ago
  A lot of this is about control over your information. It isn't about being on YouTube. It's about being able to share your media/information in a way that you feel comfortable. These projects are for people to explore self hosting or creating a platform based around the ideology the software respects. I personally self host nearly all my stuff. I'm a photographer/videographer/tech contractor and it allows me full control over my ecosystem without sacrificing my data. The folks running these aren't really interested in building a big social network or spending hours everyday scrolling what other people are doing.
- 2y ago
EcommerceFlow 2y ago
I've always wondered, why doesn't ISIS or other terror groups just use this type of distribution for their videos?
- Nextgrid 2y ago
  Because it turns out hosting even terrorist videos on existing platforms (and dealing with takedowns, etc) is still a better user experience than using the "fediverse".
  - infinitezest 2y ago
    This has not been my experience. Sorry it doesn't work for you, though.
- poulpy123 2y ago
  Because nobody will see them. Moreover the instance that host them will be blocked by the main nodes as much as on any mainstream social network and managing a server is more work and more risk than buying a pirates account to post
BiteCode_dev 2y ago
Framasoft is really an amazing team. They are basically the reason I discovered FOSS when I was younger. The fact they are still here and supporting so many free services is a miracle.
wewewedxfgdf 2y ago
I know this will come across as negative but design matters for something like this. Can't they afford $5K for websites and UI design? Everything here looks absolutely terrible. Its a negative take but they're asking me to consider this as an alternative to YouTube - how it presents is critically important. Also, the website root should not talk about peertube, it should drop me into peertube And a final gripe..... Can't they get a better domain than "joinpeertube.org" - really almost anything would be better. Sorry this is such a grumble but so many obvious self sabotaging obstacles to success.
- 3np 2y ago
  > Can't they afford $5K for websites and UI design? Everything here looks absolutely terrible. Have you attempted at doing that contribution yourself? Be the change you want to see.
- corinroyal 2y ago
  A sentence is not a paragraph.
  - frontfor 2y ago
    Do you have a more substantive reply to the user you’re replying to? These are genuine observations/experiences. If you disagree or think they are misguided, then point them out.
    - BeetleB 2y ago
      The issue is that the main comment in the thread complained about design, but gave little concrete information to discuss. If I come and say "Design matters, and HN's design sucks. Go and compare it to Reddit/whatever other site," you likely will have little idea of what my beef with HN is.
  - stronglikedan 2y ago
    Of course it is. It's usually avoided depending on the level of formality/style of the writing, but there is no grammatical rule that says a paragraph cannot be one sentence long.
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179 points by voxadam 2y ago

> .. improves support for Podcast 2.0, allowing users to subscribe to channels and play the video audio stream (if available) using classic podcast applications that refers to https://podcasting2.org/podcast-namespace https://podcasting2.org/podcast-namespace A youtube channel url provides a rss link too, but it's not advertised much and you need a player that can extract the audio stream. I often yt-dl the audio from talks/interviews, but it could be easier. The v7 interface came out nice, for examples see https://instances.joinpeertube.org/instances?sort=-version&page=1 https://instances.joinpeertube.org/instances?sort=-version&p...

charcircuit 2y ago
The rss feed provides a link that you can open in a web browser to play the video. You don't need a tool to extract it.
- teraflop 2y ago
  You do if you want to use a podcast player application, which is what the comment you're replying to is talking about.
StevenNunez 2y ago
Kind of a pain to find but it's essentially `https://www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?channel_id=UCY1kMZp36IQSyNx_9h4mpCg https://www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?channel_id=UCY1kMZp...` and you swap out the channel ID. To find the channel ID: 1. Visit the creator's page 2. Click on `more` for the full description 3. Scroll down to `Share Channel` 4. Click and copy Channel ID A bit of a pain but I'm glad I know this now!
- flas9sd 2y ago
  a quick shortcut flow in a browser on the youtube channel page (a click below the video title): ctrl+u ctrl+f "rss+x" -> shows a click+copyable video.xml link I understand people being pleased to learn this, for me the peertube announcement was learning about p2, as it's been around a few years already. alternateEnclosure is a real gem in the p2 rss spec, the thing that makes multiple channels and alternative formats/codecs/resolutions work.
presto8 2y ago
This bookmarklet will show the RSS feed URL in an alert window: Original Source: https://webapps.stackexchange.com/a/116549 https://webapps.stackexchange.com/a/116549 javascript: (() => { for (var arrScripts = document.getElementsByTagName('script'), i = 0; i < arrScripts.length; i++) { if (arrScripts[i].textContent.indexOf('externalId') != -1) { var channelId = arrScripts[i].textContent.match(/\"externalId\"\s*\:\s*\"(.*?)\"/)[1]; var channelRss = 'https://www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?channel_id=' + channelId; var channelTitle = document.title.match(/$?\d*$?\s?(.*?)\s\-\sYouTube/)[1]; alert('The rss feed of the channel \'' + channelTitle + '\' is:\n' + channelRss); break; } } })();
- extra88 2y ago
  The script doesn't work anymore, `externalId` is no longer found in the page source. That's okay, I've found a regular type="application/rss+xml" <link> is in the page head of YouTube channel pages but only if you load that page directly; if you follow links within the site to the channel page, it's an SPA and you don't get the channel URL's <link> elements. The channel page also has a <link rel="canonical" …> and that URL ends with the channel ID, even if it has an `@` handle.

admiralrohan 2y ago

Why didn't I hear about this earlier? Strange.

riffic 2y ago
The 7.1 version was just released today.
iLoveOncall 2y ago
In summary: because it sucks. All the software from FramaSoft is built from the point of view that "FOSS" is all they need and they can ignore everything else. This means that the UX for all of their tools is not just subpar compared to alternatives, it is borderline unusable. Peertube specifically is unusable, has no content and has no incentive for content creators.
- liotier 2y ago
  > Peertube specifically is unusable, has no content and has no incentive for content creators Peertube users do not need content nor incentives: they just want to publish their videos and post links to them to their audience. My photo gallery doesn't need content nor incentives for content creators either... I supply the content and my content creator incentive is showing my vacation pictures to my friends !
  - iLoveOncall 2y ago
    PeerTube is specifically advertised as a YouTube replacement.
    - Beretta_Vexee 2y ago
      It's presented as an alternative to youtube for current Framasoft members and users. It's meant to be understood as “Don't put faculty course videos on youtube, which you can't necessarily rely on if the subject is sensitive, put it on your college or association's PeerTube server.” Framasoft is originally a non-commercial association of French academics. They have no desire to replace youtube for music videos, unboxing and Minecraft lives.

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago

I like the idea of a decentralized Google free YouTube. But I find these posts about PeerTube, Frama, Mastodon, protocols, etc just very confusing. And it’s hard to understand how everyday people can use this platform or it is even meant for that. Years after first hearing of this, it has gone nowhere. I know this is a negative take but does someone have an explanation or an understanding of whether this project means anything from a practical standpoint?

butz 2y ago
Some youtubers are posting their videos to Peertube based video sites, like makertube.net , tilvids.com , tinkerbetter.tube , just to name a few. Please share your favorite Peertube instances. Sure, there are way less videos to choose from compared to youtube, but that leaves more time for productivity or for time away from the screen.
liotier 2y ago
> it’s hard to understand how everyday people can use this platform Because they are not platforms: they are software, free to use. Their audience is systems administrators, not users. Either the user is it's own systems administrator, or someone else has to do it... And in any case there is infrastructure to be paid for. Most users currently prefer someone else to do it and the price to be the watching of advertisements. I believe a sweet halfway point is hosting cooperatives - not free of cost, but delivering user-control at a reasonable cost to users who do not wish to take on the burden of sysadmining.
chneu 2y ago
A lot of this is about control over your information. It isn't about being on YouTube. It's about being able to share your media/information in a way that you feel comfortable. These projects are for people to explore self hosting or creating a platform based around the ideology the software respects. I personally self host nearly all my stuff. I'm a photographer/videographer/tech contractor and it allows me full control over my ecosystem without sacrificing my data. The folks running these aren't really interested in building a big social network or spending hours everyday scrolling what other people are doing.
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EcommerceFlow 2y ago

I've always wondered, why doesn't ISIS or other terror groups just use this type of distribution for their videos?

Nextgrid 2y ago
Because it turns out hosting even terrorist videos on existing platforms (and dealing with takedowns, etc) is still a better user experience than using the "fediverse".
- infinitezest 2y ago
  This has not been my experience. Sorry it doesn't work for you, though.
poulpy123 2y ago
Because nobody will see them. Moreover the instance that host them will be blocked by the main nodes as much as on any mainstream social network and managing a server is more work and more risk than buying a pirates account to post

BiteCode_dev 2y ago

Framasoft is really an amazing team. They are basically the reason I discovered FOSS when I was younger. The fact they are still here and supporting so many free services is a miracle.

wewewedxfgdf 2y ago

I know this will come across as negative but design matters for something like this. Can't they afford $5K for websites and UI design? Everything here looks absolutely terrible. Its a negative take but they're asking me to consider this as an alternative to YouTube - how it presents is critically important. Also, the website root should not talk about peertube, it should drop me into peertube And a final gripe..... Can't they get a better domain than "joinpeertube.org" - really almost anything would be better. Sorry this is such a grumble but so many obvious self sabotaging obstacles to success.

3np 2y ago
> Can't they afford $5K for websites and UI design? Everything here looks absolutely terrible. Have you attempted at doing that contribution yourself? Be the change you want to see.
corinroyal 2y ago
A sentence is not a paragraph.
- frontfor 2y ago
  Do you have a more substantive reply to the user you’re replying to? These are genuine observations/experiences. If you disagree or think they are misguided, then point them out.
  - BeetleB 2y ago
    The issue is that the main comment in the thread complained about design, but gave little concrete information to discuss. If I come and say "Design matters, and HN's design sucks. Go and compare it to Reddit/whatever other site," you likely will have little idea of what my beef with HN is.
- stronglikedan 2y ago
  Of course it is. It's usually avoided depending on the level of formality/style of the writing, but there is no grammatical rule that says a paragraph cannot be one sentence long.

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