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Might effect new buyers decisions I guess, but since about 99% of Tesla's were sold to green, left-leaning buyers, before the Elon hate-fest, I am not sure how

by boznz 2y ago

Might effect new buyers decisions I guess, but since about 99% of Tesla's were sold to green, left-leaning buyers, before the Elon hate-fest, I am not sure how targeting that group of people for your hatred is helping any "cause".

giantg2 2y ago
Usually this type of thing isn't really about a cause but making oneself feel better. The stuff that is actually beneficial to a cause tend to be less emotionally satisfying.
bartread 2y ago
Sadly I think, and for some time now, we are well past the point where political action needs to make sense either to the people involved or to the people outside. The message, the narrative, they’re whatever you want them to be. Whether that makes sense - much less where the truth lies - is irrelevant.
- spiderfarmer 2y ago
  Or, you should do politics without promoting nazism and white supremacy on the platform that you solely bought to be able to do so.
  - mathgeek 2y ago
    Did you mean to respond to another comment? You’re in the thread about vandalizing left-leaning Tesla owners.
    - happytoexplain 2y ago
      It's obviously being offered as justification for the anti-Tesla behavior (using the context of the GP in a tongue-in-cheek way). You may reasonably disagree, but the message wasn't unclear.
      - mathgeek 2y ago
        Was not obvious but could be inferred, which is why I asked. There were a few adjacent threads it made more sense in.
- aoeusnth1 2y ago
  Well, is your claim that's it's isnt working? Perhaps after Tesla is bankrupt 6 years from now, tycoons with political ambitions will be less likely to adopt extremist political stances. It doesn't need to make sense to you, personally, the HN commentariat, to be effective political action.
drooby 2y ago
The whole point is new buyers.. People are protesting Musk. Something like 75% of Musk's current wealth comes from Tesla stock. Tesla stock is going down.. so it is helping the cause
- spiderfarmer 2y ago
  Also the stock was effectively a meme stock. So now the jig is up, the stock deflates like no other.
  - TheAlchemist 2y ago
    That's the funny thing here. In case of Musk, if those protests work and as you say 'the jig is up', he can go from the richest man on earth to bankrupt in a space of months. He is very 'cash poor' and has pledged a lot of Tesla shares as collateral to fund his other businesses. If Tesla is priced as an automaker (shares would be in the ±10-20$), Musk will be bankrupt.
    - dgfitz 2y ago
      > Musk will be bankrupt. Then what? “We win” somehow? Nailed it? Who cares?
      - outer_web 2y ago
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      - EnergyAmy 2y ago
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        _bin_ 2y ago
        what else do you believe the appropriate outcome includes?
      - peppers-ghost 2y ago
Spooky23 2y ago
Nah. Insurance is based on the numbers, and Tesla is a shitty company to have financial liability to fix. There’s no parts, few shops, and lots of stuff to get stuck with. A friend had a rental for 4 months when the panoramic sunroof cracked on his Tesla. The vandalism isn’t computed in yet, and will immediately resulted in dropped coverage. If the Feds label it as terrorism, insurance generally excludes riot and terrorism from coverage anyway.
- reaperman 2y ago
  > insurance generally excludes riot and terrorism from coverage anyway. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_Risk_Insurance_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_Risk_Insurance_Act TRIA insurance against terrorism is required by law to be offered as a rider. It's actually shockingly affordable, because the law shifts the ultimate financial burden for any events between $200 million to $100 billion onto the federal government. So insurers have a reasonable cap on their expenses and don't need to rely on traditional re-insurers for black swan events. Most people decline this rider anyways, no matter how cheap it is - and therefore most people are not covered for terrorism related damages.
  - neilv 2y ago
    Is there a downside to having a terrorism rider, other than higher premiums? For example, if your insurance company would otherwise have to declare a claim as due to non-terrorism, and just pay it (because they'd probably lose in court if they didn't pay), but because you had the terrorism rider, they decide to declare it as due to terrorism, and then you get a less-desirable experience? (For imagined example of less-desirable, maybe you have to wait longer to get paid while the company interacts with gov't, or the reimbursement is calculated or capped differently, or some consumer protection you'd normally have doesn't apply.)
    - leereeves 2y ago
      A comment above claimed: > insurance generally excludes riot and terrorism from coverage anyway If that's true, they'd have even more incentive to declare a claim as due to terrorism if you didn't have a rider. They could avoid paying it altogether.
RetpolineDrama 2y ago
Today I saw a diesel truck roll coal on anti-tesla protestors. We've gone full circle.
- CoastalCoder 2y ago
  I'm curious if that's plausibly an act of criminal assault.
  - supportengineer 2y ago
    There's no laws any more
  - peppers-ghost 2y ago
    It would be if anyone cared to do anything about it. It's not even legal to modify trucks to fart out black smoke like that to begin with but it's never stopped them from doing it. Cops do not care about that issue.
joecot 2y ago
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- declan_roberts 2y ago
  Most people are not plugged into reddit and social media politics the way we are, and simply don't care.
- bryanlarsen 2y ago
  The hints were there for a long time (like pedo-guy), but there were mixed messages. In 2017 Musk resigned in protest from a Trump advisory committee when Trump dropped out of the Paris agreement. That's the Musk I bought our Tesla from.
- qwerpy 2y ago
  What exactly are you saying that we CT owners "deserve"? I like my CT. It has served my family well for a year. It's a car, not a political statement. I hope that this kind of vicious sentiment doesn't become mainstream.
- louthy 2y ago
  > I feel bad for the people who bought Teslas before everyone knew who he really was He bought Twitter in 2022 and it’s arguable that his true colours have been on display since then. But it was also clear much earlier for those paying attention [1] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/15/elon-musk-british-diver-thai-cave-rescue-pedo-twitter https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/15/elon-musk...
kerkeslager 2y ago
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- inquirerGeneral 2y ago
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- milesrout 2y ago
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  - lovich 2y ago
    > The Musk derangement syndrome is strong here still, I see. I just realized you’re the other guy glazing musk in this thread. How do you have someone who makes themselves the center of attention constantly, does polarizing shit like carry a chainsaw into the government to symbolize how he’s cutting it all down, and by his own admission is doing things that will upset people, And then you waltz in here and accuse all of us of being deranged for even talking about it?
  - WheatMillington 2y ago
    >Musk was a darling of the left like 2 years ago Eh, maybe like 6 years ago. Hasn't been true for quite some time now.
  - kerkeslager 2y ago
    > Musk was a darling of the left like 2 years ago. Not in any leftist circles I was in. You can look through my post history and find me criticizing Musk for wanting to put indentured servants on Mars well before the Twitter buy. There is no such thing as a good person who is a billionaire, and I've never said otherwise.
llm_nerd 2y ago
It's clearly intended to impact new buyers. Most of Musk's wealth is tied up in Tesla, and that funding allowed him to both buy an election and -- gestures broadly -- demonstrate convincingly that he is an absolutely reprehensible, garbage-bin of a human. The rich used to start ivy leagues and build libraries. This guy is cutting off funding for the poor and declaring himself, proudly, a "deadly threat" to people he perceives as "woke". And the "99%" thing is pretty dubious regardless. Elon Musk has been a garbage person for years. A self-dealing creep. >80% of Tesla sales have happened over the past four years. And of the people I know with Teslas, zero of them are "green, left-leaning" buyers. They're people who wanted the novelty with the crazy acceleration and the boasting tech. I feel like this "leftist car" thing was never, ever true for the brand. And if it was sales would have been 0 for the past six years or so, but there are an endless rank of daytraders and crypto bros who need their Teslas.
- milesrout 2y ago
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  - dragonwriter 2y ago
    > Somehow he is a "reprehensible" person because he has the most milquetoast middle of the road centrist liberal opinions. Yeah, throwing Nazi salutes and endorsing neo-Nazi parties are signs of “the most milquetoast middle of the road centrist liberal opinions”.
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permo-w 2y ago
>99% of Tesla's were sold to green, left-leaning buyers source
- sgerenser 2y ago
  That’s definitely an exaggeration. I’d bet it’s closer to ~60% green left leaning, and another ~30% libertarian, tech types. Would still mean at least 60% of his former audience is lost.
  - permo-w 2y ago
    I also think there are a lot of people who are neither and just bought teslas because they're a relatively high performance exec-style car at a decent price
supportengineer 2y ago
Thanks to Leon's salute, instead of buying 1-3 more Tesla's in my lifetime, I'm going back to plain gas powered Hondas. I'm choosing specifically non-turbo non-hybrid models. The American people, with their choice of President, have shown me they don't care about the present or the future. I'm sure their president will keep gas prices low. I don't see any reason for me to suffer for their benefit or anyone else's. The American people have chosen to doom us all, so why not just make life easy on myself.
- louthy 2y ago
  “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” George Bernard Shaw
- tzs 2y ago
  > Thanks to Leon's salute, instead of buying 1-3 more Tesla's in my lifetime [...] I can see how one could make a plausible argument for this... > [...] I'm going back to plain gas powered Hondas. I'm choosing specifically non-turbo non-hybrid models. The American people, with their choice of President, have shown me they don't care about the present or the future. I'm sure their president will keep gas prices low. I don't see any reason for me to suffer for their benefit or anyone else's. The American people have chosen to doom us all, so why not just make life easy on myself. ...but that makes no sense whatsoever. A non-plug in hybrid is a gas car. All the energy used by its electric motors comes from either using the gas motor to charge its battery or from regenerative braking. It just uses less gas per mile than a non-hybrid and is more reliable than a non-hybrid [1]. If you want to drive a 100% powered by gas car and want to make life easy on yourself a non-plug in hybrid is the way to go. Unless you need a pickup truck or something similarly beefy it is hard to make a case that a gas powered non-hybrid is better than a non-PHEV hybrid. [1] Yes, non-plug in hybrids from the top hybrid car makers like Toyota and Honda are more reliable than gas cars. It is a little counterintuitive because you'd expect that hybrids would be much more complex due to having both gas and electric drive systems, but it turns out that they also remove quit a bit, and also the drive train can actually be simpler. Toyota's transmission on its hybrids for example is mechanically much simpler. The data from Consumer Reports and others that track reliability show about 25% fewer problems on non-plug in hybrids.
outer_web 2y ago
This probably doesn't fit the two-team paradigm. When you consider the objectives might be something different from ensuring democrats win offices in two years, the rationale may make more sense.
libertine 2y ago
> before the Elon hate-fest Let me ask this: maybe, just maybe, it was before Elon went politically to far right and started cater to Russia, and to try reabilitated Nazism with actions and History revisionism? I mean, when we saw Putin try to get Hitler off the hook and blame Poland for WW2, it was kind of expected, not only because Putin finances Neo Nazis all over the world, but because it suits his current agenda. Now when Elon is doing it, it doesn't look weird to you? It's just the "hate-fest" maybe...
happytoexplain 2y ago
Protests and ethics and capitalism and products and politics are more complicated than that. If collateral damage or somehow hurting anybody in "your" half of The Two Groups (which is a faulty premise to begin with) is ruled out, you're wiping out nearly all opinions and protest. Things just aren't that simple (though it's convenient to pretend they are when it lets us point a finger at the enemy out-group - look at their hypocrisy/in-fighting!) That is not to say the opposite - that I think all anti-Tesla hatred/actions are justified. I'm just refuting your opinion specifically. I have a lot of thoughts that run in both directions on topics like this, including this one. However, this specific case is especially far gone, in terms of drawing lines between "understandable" and "unreasonable" on any given anti-Tesla action/opinion, simply because of the fact that he and some of his supporters invoke Nazism. If it wasn't for that, I could more confidently say something like, "No, that one is over the line" for any given anti-Tesla thing. But I can't.
- _bin_ 2y ago
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  - dwaltrip 2y ago
    Please read the entire sentence when you quote something: > That is not to say the opposite - that I think all anti-Tesla hatred/actions are justified. I'm just refuting your opinion specifically.
    - _bin_ 2y ago
      i didn't quote you that way. you said you do not think that all anti-tesla actions are justified. "actions" in this case heavily implies not picketing their HQ but the recent spate of vandalism and destruction. you didn't say you do think that all such actions are not justified. if that is the case, then we have no disagreement, and i'm glad this cleared things up.
      - happytoexplain 2y ago
archagon 2y ago
In fact, Elon Musk is the source of the hatred. He can’t seem to go a day without amplifying weird depraved shit like “Hitler was actually a commie” and “recipients of benefits are part of the parasite class” that makes people shudder with disgust. Plus the whole illegally dismantling our federal government thing. Maybe Tesla should change that.

by boznz 2y ago

giantg2 2y ago

Usually this type of thing isn't really about a cause but making oneself feel better. The stuff that is actually beneficial to a cause tend to be less emotionally satisfying.

bartread 2y ago

Sadly I think, and for some time now, we are well past the point where political action needs to make sense either to the people involved or to the people outside. The message, the narrative, they’re whatever you want them to be. Whether that makes sense - much less where the truth lies - is irrelevant.

spiderfarmer 2y ago
Or, you should do politics without promoting nazism and white supremacy on the platform that you solely bought to be able to do so.
- mathgeek 2y ago
  Did you mean to respond to another comment? You’re in the thread about vandalizing left-leaning Tesla owners.
  - happytoexplain 2y ago
    It's obviously being offered as justification for the anti-Tesla behavior (using the context of the GP in a tongue-in-cheek way). You may reasonably disagree, but the message wasn't unclear.
    - mathgeek 2y ago
      Was not obvious but could be inferred, which is why I asked. There were a few adjacent threads it made more sense in.
aoeusnth1 2y ago
Well, is your claim that's it's isnt working? Perhaps after Tesla is bankrupt 6 years from now, tycoons with political ambitions will be less likely to adopt extremist political stances. It doesn't need to make sense to you, personally, the HN commentariat, to be effective political action.

drooby 2y ago

The whole point is new buyers.. People are protesting Musk. Something like 75% of Musk's current wealth comes from Tesla stock. Tesla stock is going down.. so it is helping the cause

spiderfarmer 2y ago
Also the stock was effectively a meme stock. So now the jig is up, the stock deflates like no other.
- TheAlchemist 2y ago
  That's the funny thing here. In case of Musk, if those protests work and as you say 'the jig is up', he can go from the richest man on earth to bankrupt in a space of months. He is very 'cash poor' and has pledged a lot of Tesla shares as collateral to fund his other businesses. If Tesla is priced as an automaker (shares would be in the ±10-20$), Musk will be bankrupt.
  - dgfitz 2y ago
    > Musk will be bankrupt. Then what? “We win” somehow? Nailed it? Who cares?
    - outer_web 2y ago
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    - EnergyAmy 2y ago
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      - _bin_ 2y ago
        what else do you believe the appropriate outcome includes?
    - peppers-ghost 2y ago

Spooky23 2y ago

Nah. Insurance is based on the numbers, and Tesla is a shitty company to have financial liability to fix. There’s no parts, few shops, and lots of stuff to get stuck with. A friend had a rental for 4 months when the panoramic sunroof cracked on his Tesla. The vandalism isn’t computed in yet, and will immediately resulted in dropped coverage. If the Feds label it as terrorism, insurance generally excludes riot and terrorism from coverage anyway.

reaperman 2y ago
> insurance generally excludes riot and terrorism from coverage anyway. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_Risk_Insurance_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_Risk_Insurance_Act TRIA insurance against terrorism is required by law to be offered as a rider. It's actually shockingly affordable, because the law shifts the ultimate financial burden for any events between $200 million to $100 billion onto the federal government. So insurers have a reasonable cap on their expenses and don't need to rely on traditional re-insurers for black swan events. Most people decline this rider anyways, no matter how cheap it is - and therefore most people are not covered for terrorism related damages.
- neilv 2y ago
  Is there a downside to having a terrorism rider, other than higher premiums? For example, if your insurance company would otherwise have to declare a claim as due to non-terrorism, and just pay it (because they'd probably lose in court if they didn't pay), but because you had the terrorism rider, they decide to declare it as due to terrorism, and then you get a less-desirable experience? (For imagined example of less-desirable, maybe you have to wait longer to get paid while the company interacts with gov't, or the reimbursement is calculated or capped differently, or some consumer protection you'd normally have doesn't apply.)
  - leereeves 2y ago
    A comment above claimed: > insurance generally excludes riot and terrorism from coverage anyway If that's true, they'd have even more incentive to declare a claim as due to terrorism if you didn't have a rider. They could avoid paying it altogether.

RetpolineDrama 2y ago

Today I saw a diesel truck roll coal on anti-tesla protestors. We've gone full circle.

CoastalCoder 2y ago
I'm curious if that's plausibly an act of criminal assault.
- supportengineer 2y ago
  There's no laws any more
- peppers-ghost 2y ago
  It would be if anyone cared to do anything about it. It's not even legal to modify trucks to fart out black smoke like that to begin with but it's never stopped them from doing it. Cops do not care about that issue.

joecot 2y ago

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declan_roberts 2y ago
Most people are not plugged into reddit and social media politics the way we are, and simply don't care.
bryanlarsen 2y ago
The hints were there for a long time (like pedo-guy), but there were mixed messages. In 2017 Musk resigned in protest from a Trump advisory committee when Trump dropped out of the Paris agreement. That's the Musk I bought our Tesla from.
qwerpy 2y ago
What exactly are you saying that we CT owners "deserve"? I like my CT. It has served my family well for a year. It's a car, not a political statement. I hope that this kind of vicious sentiment doesn't become mainstream.
louthy 2y ago
> I feel bad for the people who bought Teslas before everyone knew who he really was He bought Twitter in 2022 and it’s arguable that his true colours have been on display since then. But it was also clear much earlier for those paying attention [1] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/15/elon-musk-british-diver-thai-cave-rescue-pedo-twitter https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/15/elon-musk...

kerkeslager 2y ago

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inquirerGeneral 2y ago
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milesrout 2y ago
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- lovich 2y ago
  > The Musk derangement syndrome is strong here still, I see. I just realized you’re the other guy glazing musk in this thread. How do you have someone who makes themselves the center of attention constantly, does polarizing shit like carry a chainsaw into the government to symbolize how he’s cutting it all down, and by his own admission is doing things that will upset people, And then you waltz in here and accuse all of us of being deranged for even talking about it?
- WheatMillington 2y ago
  >Musk was a darling of the left like 2 years ago Eh, maybe like 6 years ago. Hasn't been true for quite some time now.
- kerkeslager 2y ago
  > Musk was a darling of the left like 2 years ago. Not in any leftist circles I was in. You can look through my post history and find me criticizing Musk for wanting to put indentured servants on Mars well before the Twitter buy. There is no such thing as a good person who is a billionaire, and I've never said otherwise.

llm_nerd 2y ago

It's clearly intended to impact new buyers. Most of Musk's wealth is tied up in Tesla, and that funding allowed him to both buy an election and -- gestures broadly -- demonstrate convincingly that he is an absolutely reprehensible, garbage-bin of a human. The rich used to start ivy leagues and build libraries. This guy is cutting off funding for the poor and declaring himself, proudly, a "deadly threat" to people he perceives as "woke". And the "99%" thing is pretty dubious regardless. Elon Musk has been a garbage person for years. A self-dealing creep. >80% of Tesla sales have happened over the past four years. And of the people I know with Teslas, zero of them are "green, left-leaning" buyers. They're people who wanted the novelty with the crazy acceleration and the boasting tech. I feel like this "leftist car" thing was never, ever true for the brand. And if it was sales would have been 0 for the past six years or so, but there are an endless rank of daytraders and crypto bros who need their Teslas.

milesrout 2y ago
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- dragonwriter 2y ago
  > Somehow he is a "reprehensible" person because he has the most milquetoast middle of the road centrist liberal opinions. Yeah, throwing Nazi salutes and endorsing neo-Nazi parties are signs of “the most milquetoast middle of the road centrist liberal opinions”.
- lovich 2y ago
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permo-w 2y ago

>99% of Tesla's were sold to green, left-leaning buyers source

sgerenser 2y ago
That’s definitely an exaggeration. I’d bet it’s closer to ~60% green left leaning, and another ~30% libertarian, tech types. Would still mean at least 60% of his former audience is lost.
- permo-w 2y ago
  I also think there are a lot of people who are neither and just bought teslas because they're a relatively high performance exec-style car at a decent price

supportengineer 2y ago

Thanks to Leon's salute, instead of buying 1-3 more Tesla's in my lifetime, I'm going back to plain gas powered Hondas. I'm choosing specifically non-turbo non-hybrid models. The American people, with their choice of President, have shown me they don't care about the present or the future. I'm sure their president will keep gas prices low. I don't see any reason for me to suffer for their benefit or anyone else's. The American people have chosen to doom us all, so why not just make life easy on myself.

louthy 2y ago
“The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” George Bernard Shaw
tzs 2y ago
> Thanks to Leon's salute, instead of buying 1-3 more Tesla's in my lifetime [...] I can see how one could make a plausible argument for this... > [...] I'm going back to plain gas powered Hondas. I'm choosing specifically non-turbo non-hybrid models. The American people, with their choice of President, have shown me they don't care about the present or the future. I'm sure their president will keep gas prices low. I don't see any reason for me to suffer for their benefit or anyone else's. The American people have chosen to doom us all, so why not just make life easy on myself. ...but that makes no sense whatsoever. A non-plug in hybrid is a gas car. All the energy used by its electric motors comes from either using the gas motor to charge its battery or from regenerative braking. It just uses less gas per mile than a non-hybrid and is more reliable than a non-hybrid [1]. If you want to drive a 100% powered by gas car and want to make life easy on yourself a non-plug in hybrid is the way to go. Unless you need a pickup truck or something similarly beefy it is hard to make a case that a gas powered non-hybrid is better than a non-PHEV hybrid. [1] Yes, non-plug in hybrids from the top hybrid car makers like Toyota and Honda are more reliable than gas cars. It is a little counterintuitive because you'd expect that hybrids would be much more complex due to having both gas and electric drive systems, but it turns out that they also remove quit a bit, and also the drive train can actually be simpler. Toyota's transmission on its hybrids for example is mechanically much simpler. The data from Consumer Reports and others that track reliability show about 25% fewer problems on non-plug in hybrids.

outer_web 2y ago

This probably doesn't fit the two-team paradigm. When you consider the objectives might be something different from ensuring democrats win offices in two years, the rationale may make more sense.

libertine 2y ago

> before the Elon hate-fest Let me ask this: maybe, just maybe, it was before Elon went politically to far right and started cater to Russia, and to try reabilitated Nazism with actions and History revisionism? I mean, when we saw Putin try to get Hitler off the hook and blame Poland for WW2, it was kind of expected, not only because Putin finances Neo Nazis all over the world, but because it suits his current agenda. Now when Elon is doing it, it doesn't look weird to you? It's just the "hate-fest" maybe...

happytoexplain 2y ago

Protests and ethics and capitalism and products and politics are more complicated than that. If collateral damage or somehow hurting anybody in "your" half of The Two Groups (which is a faulty premise to begin with) is ruled out, you're wiping out nearly all opinions and protest. Things just aren't that simple (though it's convenient to pretend they are when it lets us point a finger at the enemy out-group - look at their hypocrisy/in-fighting!) That is not to say the opposite - that I think all anti-Tesla hatred/actions are justified. I'm just refuting your opinion specifically. I have a lot of thoughts that run in both directions on topics like this, including this one. However, this specific case is especially far gone, in terms of drawing lines between "understandable" and "unreasonable" on any given anti-Tesla action/opinion, simply because of the fact that he and some of his supporters invoke Nazism. If it wasn't for that, I could more confidently say something like, "No, that one is over the line" for any given anti-Tesla thing. But I can't.

_bin_ 2y ago
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- dwaltrip 2y ago
  Please read the entire sentence when you quote something: > That is not to say the opposite - that I think all anti-Tesla hatred/actions are justified. I'm just refuting your opinion specifically.
  - _bin_ 2y ago
    i didn't quote you that way. you said you do not think that all anti-tesla actions are justified. "actions" in this case heavily implies not picketing their HQ but the recent spate of vandalism and destruction. you didn't say you do think that all such actions are not justified. if that is the case, then we have no disagreement, and i'm glad this cleared things up.
    - happytoexplain 2y ago

archagon 2y ago

In fact, Elon Musk is the source of the hatred. He can’t seem to go a day without amplifying weird depraved shit like “Hitler was actually a commie” and “recipients of benefits are part of the parasite class” that makes people shudder with disgust. Plus the whole illegally dismantling our federal government thing. Maybe Tesla should change that.